God the All-terrible!

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Mendalla said:

Is all this intentional? I do not know. That's what makes me an agnostic. But I do know that it is a marvellous, beautiful universe that, in the long haul, does seem to balance out creation, destruction, and other forces whether by intent or simply nature. Likely the latter.
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Well, "intent" is a human concept. To o presuppose a superior cosmic intelligence that thought in terms of human concepts five billion years or so before there were humans is quite a stretch of the imagination, not to speak of a stretch in logic.

If chaos is unleashed on an astronomical scale, wonderful things can happen simply because the chaos is so immense, and the mathematical likelihood of something like biological life--even logically thinking biological life--emerging from the chaos is quite high. But whether the universe unleashed chaos on such a grand scale on purpose, in order to achieve a certain desired outcome, is anthromorphizing the universe, or interpreting the universe in terms of human concepts.

Cosmic intelligence has evolved into logically thinking human intelligence, at least on our planet, and perhaps elsewhere in the universe, so that cosmic intelligence now includes logical human intelligence. But that logically thinking human intelligence was somehow there before there even was a universe seems quite unlikely to me.

On the other hand, logical analysis, in my opinion, is an inadequate means of grasping ultimate truth. I feel and think that the Whole or All is in an ultimate state of unity or synthesis. And, because synthesis is antithetical to analysis, this state cannot be apprehended by logical analysis alone. But IT can be experienced, and is being experienced, in the pure, unconceptualized experience of reality, in which we experience reality as it really is.
 
chansen said:
Can we just boil this down for a moment? You're saying God/All is cruel, but not intentionally. Also, God/All is merciful. I assume you don't mean all the time, because that's indefensible.

To me, the Reader's Digest version of the above is, "s**t happens."

Sometimes bad, sometimes good. No rhyme, no reason. Almost like things happen at random.

And if we remove the assumption of a God, how the hell is that any different?
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What I love chansen is that no matter how many times you've denied God, how many times you've spoken against God, how many times you've mocked God - God remains active in your life.
 
chansen said:
Can we just boil this down for a moment? You're saying God/All is cruel, but not intentionally. Also, God/All is merciful. I assume you don't mean all the time, because that's indefensible.

To me, the Reader's Digest version of the above is, "s**t happens."

Sometimes bad, sometimes good. No rhyme, no reason. Almost like things happen at random.

And if we remove the assumption of a God, how the hell is that any different?
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Reminded me of this story:


Rabbi Joshua ben Levi

References to Elijah in Jewish folklore range from short observations to lengthy parables on the nature of God’s justice.

One such story is that of Rabbi Joshua ben Levi. The rabbi, a friend of Elijah’s, was asked what favor he might wish. The rabbi answered only that he be able to join Elijah in his wanderings. Elijah granted his wish only if he refrained from asking any questions about any of the prophet’s actions. He agreed and they began their journey. The first place they came to was the house of an elderly couple who were so poor they had only one old cow. The old couple gave of their hospitality as best they could. The next morning, as the travelers left, Elijah prayed that the old cow would die and it did. The second place they came to was the home of a wealthy man. He had no patience for his visitors and chased them away with the admonition that they should get jobs and not beg from honest people. As they were leaving, they passed the man’s wall and saw that it was crumbling. Elijah prayed that the wall be repaired and it was so. Next, they came to a wealthy synagogue. They were allowed to spend the night with only the smallest of provisions. When they left, Elijah prayed that every member of the synagogue might become a leader.

Finally, they came to a very poor synagogue. Here they were treated with great courtesy and hospitality. When they left, Elijah prayed that God might give them a single wise leader. At this Rabbi Joshua could no longer hold back. He demanded of Elijah an explanation of his actions. At the house of the old couple, Elijah knew that the Angel of Death was coming for the old woman. So he prayed that God might have the angel take the cow instead. At the house of the wealthy man, there was a great treasure hidden in the crumbling wall. Elijah prayed that the wall be restored thus keeping the treasure away from the miser. The story ends with a moral: A synagogue with many leaders will be ruined by many arguments. A town with a single wise leader will be guided to success and prosperity. “Know then, that if thou seest an evil-doer prosper, it is not always unto his advantage, and if a righteous man suffers need and distress, think not God is unjust.”[31]
Rabbi Eliezer
 
chansen said:
Sometimes bad, sometimes good. No rhyme, no reason. Almost like things happen at random.
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that's the atheist position is it not ? random life


Frank J Tipler a mathematical physicist and cosmologist, at Tulane University writes in his book “ The Anthropic Cosmological Principle”,,,,,,,,


The chances of any life on earth to happen alone has been estimated between 4 to the negative 180th power to the 100 & 10th power & 4 to the negative 360th power to the 100 & 10th power .


So if random evolution did occur its literally a miracle that anything at all exists and there for evidence for the Existence of God
 
Pr. Jae said:
What I love chansen is that no matter how many times you've denied God, how many times you've spoken against God, how many times you've mocked God - God remains active in your life.
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Just as the FSM is active in your life. Who do you think created Korean noodles?
 
blackbelt1961 said:
that's the atheist position is it not ? random life


Frank J Tipler a mathematical physicist and cosmologist, at Tulane University writes in his book “ The Anthropic Cosmological Principle”,,,,,,,,


The chances of any life on earth to happen alone has been estimated between 4 to the negative 180th power to the 100 & 10th power & 4 to the negative 360th power to the 100 & 10th power .


So if random evolution did occur its literally a miracle that anything at all exists and there for evidence for the Existence of God
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I love Google. It lets me find your sources in seconds. Sources you don't tell us for rather understandable reasons, I think.

http://beyeready.org/fromsite/BE YE READY BOOKLET.pdf

Be Ye Ready dot org. I can not make this stuff up.

I encourage people to take a look at the PDF. It's hilarious.
 
paradox3 said:
* imagines @ Chansen facepalming *
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This is the thing. He's embarrassing Christians, not atheists. I just sit back, show where he gets this stuff from, and take the afternoon off as he makes everything worse for himself.
 
chansen said:
This is the thing. He's embarrassing Christians, not atheists. I just sit back, show where he gets this stuff from, and take the afternoon off as he makes everything worse for himself.
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of course, when you cant say anything , make fun

great debater you are (y)
 
Too bad friend GoldenRule left us. He always enjoyed a good debate with Blackbelt. Blackie he called him.
 
What is your favourite sauce, Blackbelt?

I made a great pasta sauce the other day with a leftover cream cheese and salmon spread.
 
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