God in our Image?

[revjohn]

What was that adage about corruption 've authority?

Power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Is this the adage you were thinking of or was it some other?

 

[Luce NDs]

Power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Is this the adage you were thinking of or was it some other?

I can't admit to it as I've been told by some authority that I know nothing ... thus I cover-up what I understood by such dynamic going against extreme authority interfering with piles of word(s)!

Allows space for myth, mystery and hidden wisdom of eternal place that we've lost in exposure to pure L'uv in creation ... mighty con'd rael matter ... an envelope?

Perhaps I shouldn't have said that much as an accomplished reader ... I may appear odd to authority that despises piles ... word hemorrhages? Di a' Rae ah ...

 

[Pavlos Maros]

Since you won't open your blinky blinky eyes to see the evidence that God has put all around you, I'm certainly not going to waste my time offering mine.

Excuses! Excuses! What a surprise!

 

[unsafe]

How I see God is that He is one with His Word ------

Anyone who varies from God's word ---see God in their own image -----this is my view ----

Isaiah 55 tells us this ------

Isaiah 55 (GW)
The Lord’s Word Will Accomplish Its Task

11 My word, which comes from my mouth, is like the rain and snow.
It will not come back to me without results.
It will accomplish whatever I want
and achieve whatever I send it to do.”


I see God as Living water -----

Anyone who sees God as just a prophet and not as living water ---sees God in their own image in my view --

John 4:14 GW

10 Jesus replied to her, “If you only knew what God’s gift is and who is asking you for a drink, you would have asked him for a drink. He would have given you living water.”


I see God as a Spirit Being ----

Anyone who sees God as something other than a Spirit being ---sees God in their own image ---in my view

Same scripture as above ----verse
24 God is a spirit. Those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”


I see God as a Just and fair God ----

Anyone who sees God as an unfair and unjust God --sees God in their own image --in my view

Zephaniah 3 verse 5 (ESVUK)
Judgement on Jerusalem and the Nations

The Lord within her is righteous;
he does no injustice;
every morning he shows forth his justice;
each dawn he does not fail;
but the unjust knows no shame.

read the whole chapter here ----https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Zephaniah+3&version=ESVUK

Ezekiel 33 (NIV)
Renewal of Ezekiel’s Call as Watchman
Read all here ---https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+33&version=NIV

verse ---17 “Yet your people say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ But it is their way that is not just.

unsafe says and posted scripture
God is very well described in His word ---who He is and What He is like ---I believe we humans Create a Mysterious God that we say we don't know ----many use ---my thoughts are not your thoughts ---my ways are not your ways -----to say God is mysterious and we can't know God ----

unsafe says
Sinners and wicket people do not think like God or walk in the ways of God ---God wants to be found in His word and He wants all people to find Him and come to Him and walk in His ways and think like He does -----Unfortunately we have to do the work ---He doesn't magically come to us and many don't want to pick up their Bible and read it daily ----hearing a Sermon on Sunday is not enough to know who God really is and how He works in our lives ------We have to be Hungry and Thirsty to want to know Him and His ways and thoughts ------

Isaiah 55:6English Standard Version (ESV)
6 Seek the Lord while he may be found;
call upon him while he is near;

God isn't hiding People We Are -----We don't want to take the time to find out who and what God is ---we want a God that we can visualize without doing any work to find Him -----we want the easy way out -----God is a respecter of His word Not People ---

 

[Luce NDs]

Who is it that limits eternal words to that experienced in a single book ... expressed by the limited desires of one monarch ...

Is this limited or what ... something mortal? People just don't get what's beyond eM in the eternal domain ... justice is out there ... be prepared!

 

[Luce NDs]

Is there nothing to be afraid of atoll? Consider what's beyond us in cognisance!

How your brain hallucinates your conscious reality
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Recall it is just emoted ... dynamically until one rests like that cat in a box ... Kathrine run over by a train of emotions?

Tis something to ponder for those captivated by dynamics alone ... E motes?

 

[Jaebius]

Excuses! Excuses! What a surprise!

Tell you what, you tell me when you've opened your blinky blinky eyes to see the evidence that God has placed all around you. Let's begin there.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Your evidence for the existence of Godde is the existence of reality as accessed by the human senses? I'm thinking that only works for a pantheist.

 

[Mendalla]

Your evidence for the existence of Godde is the existence of reality as accessed by the human senses? I'm thinking that only works for a pantheist.

Well, it could be indirect evidence of a Divine Creator depending on how you read some observations, but it only works as direct evidence for a pantheist and, perhaps, some forms of panentheism.

 

[Jaebius]

Well, it could be indirect evidence of a Divine Creator depending on how you read some observations, but it only works as direct evidence for a pantheist and, perhaps, some forms of panentheism.

God reveals himself through his creation. You see a tree? Somebody made that tree. God.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Well, no, there's a perfectly good scientific explanation for exactly why that tree exists.

 

[Jaebius]

Well, no, there's a perfectly good scientific explanation for exactly why that tree exists.

There's a scientific explanation. I wouldn't call it "good" though. The word, "rubbish" comes to mind.

 

[Mystic]

Jae: "Here Jesus is saying that he is God."
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John: "Actually he doesn't say that he is God in that context. That is the clear inference of his comment."

No, there are in fact 2 ways of taking Mark 10:17-18: "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" Jesus said to him: Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.""
(1) Jesus is fishing for an affirmation of His Godhood.
(2) Jesus objects to flattery and is both denying both that He is good and, that He is God.

Option (1) must be rejected for 2 reasons:
(a) If Jesus were fishing for an acclamation of His Godhood, one might expect he subject of His status to be resumed in this periscope. It is not.
Rather, the subject here is what the rich young ruler can do to achieve eternal life. Jesus' response implies that the man must correct his spiritual deficiency, materialism; more specifically, he must sell his goods, donate, the proceeds to the poor, and follow Jesus.
(b) Jesus understands Himself in terms of the messianic title "Son of God," but never takes the next step and claims to be God. Rather, Thomas acclaims the risen Jesus, not the earthly Jesus, as God (John 20:28). On the background of the messianic or Davidic origin of the very human title "Son of God" see 1 Samuel 7;14.

(2) John objects to option (2) "So either he is not a good teacher or he is God."
He poses these alternatives as if it goes without saying that Jesus considered Himself intrinsically good. But Jesus' point is more likely that human goodness is derivative from divine goodness and it is only by grace that our lives can display goodness. 2 Gospel texts are relevant to this insight:
(a) "Jesus grew...n favor with God (Luke 2:52)." How can Jesus grow in favor unless He was previously less in favor with God?
The implication is that Jesus' humanity required Him to learn by trial and error just like the rest of us. This thought is further radicalized by Hebrews 5:8: "Although He was a Son, He learned obedience though what He suffered." The natural interpretation of this text is that Jesus needed to grow out of a period of disobedience. But does Jesus' need to learn by trial and error refute the doctrine of His sinlessness (see Hebrews 4:15)? Not if we understand sin as a condition of separation from God and affirm that nothing in Jesus' learning curve separated Him from God.

(b) Why would a sinless Messiah feel the need to receive a baptism of repentance? It won't do to cite Matthew 3:13-14 in support of the claim that He needed no such baptism, but was merely trying to set a good example. The phrase "fulfill all righteousness" implies a willingness to repent and not a mere effort to set an example. And neither of the other Synoptics hint at an implication that Jesus didn't need His baptism.

John: "In all of the synoptics the conversation appears as such, "Why do you (call me/ask me) about good (what is)? There is none good but God."

This confusing comment obscures the decisive point: The scholarly consensus rightly recognizes the Mark is a source for Matthew. Matthew's reason for redacting (editing) the Marcan text in question is best grasped by quoting both texts side by side:

Mark 10:17-18: "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" Jesus said to him: Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.""
Matthew 19:16-17: ""Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?" And He said to him: "Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only One who is good."

Matthew takes offense at Mark's implication that Jesus denies both that He is good and that He is God. Remember, for Matthew Jesus is Emanuel, God with us (1:23)." To remove these implications Matthew changes "Good teacher" to "good deed" and the question, "Why do you call me good?" to "Why do you ask me about what is good?"
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[Jaebius]

Jae: "Here Jesus is saying that he is God."
Click to expand...
John: "Actually he doesn't say that he is God in that context. That is the clear inference of his comment."

No, there are in fact 2 ways of taking Mark 10:17-18: "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" Jesus said to him: Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.""
(1) Jesus is fishing for an affirmation of His Godhood.
(2) Jesus objects to flattery and is both denying both that He is good and, that He is God.

Option (1) must be rejected for 2 reasons:
(a) If Jesus were fishing for an acclamation of His Godhood, one might expect he subject of His status to be resumed in this periscope. It is not.
Rather, the subject here is what the rich young ruler can do to achieve eternal life. Jesus' response implies that the man must correct his spiritual deficiency, materialism; more specifically, he must sell his goods, donate, the proceeds to the poor, and follow Jesus.
(b) Jesus understands Himself in terms of the messianic title "Son of God," but never takes the next step and claims to be God. Rather, Thomas acclaims the risen Jesus, not the earthly Jesus, as God (John 20:28). On the background of the messianic or Davidic origin of the very human title "Son of God" see 1 Samuel 7;14.

(2) John objects to option (2) "So either he is not a good teacher or he is God."
He poses these alternatives as if it goes without saying that Jesus considered Himself intrinsically good. But Jesus' point is more likely that human goodness is derivative from divine goodness and it is only by grace that our lives can display goodness. 2 Gospel texts are relevant to this insight:
(a) "Jesus grew...n favor with God (Luke 2:52)." How can Jesus grow in favor unless He was previously less in favor with God?
The implication is that Jesus' humanity required Him to learn by trial and error just like the rest of us. This thought is further radicalized by Hebrews 5:8: "Although He was a Son, He learned obedience though what He suffered." The natural interpretation of this text is that Jesus needed to grow out of a period of disobedience. But does Jesus' need to learn by trial and error refute the doctrine of His sinlessness (see Hebrews 4:15)? Not if we understand sin as a condition of separation from God and affirm that nothing in Jesus' learning curve separated Him from God.

(b) Why would a sinless Messiah feel the need to receive a baptism of repentance? It won't do to cite Matthew 3:13-14 in support of the claim that He needed no such baptism, but was merely trying to set a good example. The phrase "fulfill all righteousness" implies a willingness to repent and not a mere effort to set an example. And neither of the other Synoptics hint at an implication that Jesus didn't need His baptism.

John: "In all of the synoptics the conversation appears as such, "Why do you (call me/ask me) about good (what is)? There is none good but God."

This confusing comment obscures the decisive point: The scholarly consensus rightly recognizes the Mark is a source for Matthew. Matthew's reason for redacting (editing) the Marcan text in question is best grasped by quoting both texts side by side:

Mark 10:17-18: "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" Jesus said to him: Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.""
Matthew 19:16-17: ""Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?" And He said to him: "Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only One who is good."

Matthew takes offense at Mark's implication that Jesus denies both that He is good and that He is God. Remember, for Matthew Jesus is Emanuel, God with us (1:23)." To remove these implications Matthew changes "Good teacher" to "good deed" and the question, "Why do you call me good?" to "Why do you ask me about what is good?"
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Jesus is God. Everything he ever spoke, everything he ever did, said that he is God.

 

[Mystic]

Jesus is God. Everything he ever spoke, everything he ever did, said that he is God.

Your pontification without evidence establishes nothing is not helpful. Do you realize, for example, that weather control was ot deemed a sign of divinity in Jesus' day? Elijah's inspired word controlled rainfall. But so did the prayers of Honi the Circle Drawer, a charismatic Jewish sage who lived in the generation before Jesus.

Kindly address the specific arguments made in my post. I am not denying Christ's divinity. But we are discussing the evolution of Jesus' messianic consciousness, not the doctrine of the Trinity. For starters, you need to recognize that in a first-century Palestinian context the messianic title "Son of God" is not equivalent to the claim to be God. Many thick books have been written on Christological titles in the Gospels. The scholarly consensus is that they can't be simplistically reduced to your claim.

 

[Jaebius]

Your pontification without evidence establishes nothing is not helpful. Do you realize, for example, that weather control was ot deemed a sign of divinity in Jesus' day? Elijah's inspired word controlled rainfall. But so did the prayers of Honi the Circle Drawer, a charismatic Jewish sage who lived in the generation before Jesus.

Kindly address the specific arguments made in my post. I am not denying Christ's divinity. But we are discussing the evolution of Jesus' messianic consciousness, not the doctrine of the Trinity. For starters, you need to recognize that in a first-century Palestinian context the messianic title "Son of God" is not equivalent to the claim to be God. Many thick books have been written on Christological titles in the Gospels. The scholarly consensus is that they can't be simplistically reduced to your claim.

Sure, yeah, I'll get right on that. Soon as I have a chance Professor.

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

Well, no, there's a perfectly good scientific explanation for exactly why that tree exists.

No,

There is no scientific explanation for life from non-life. If there was, they could reproduce it.

Science relies on faith for a lot of things.

 

[Luce NDs]

No,

There is no scientific explanation for life from non-life. If there was, they could reproduce it.

Science relies on faith for a lot of things.

It is an advantage to have faith in things observed (science) and not blind faith ... in which case there is claim to know what isn't visible! Thus the rye emperor nonsense!

Then one could depend on restricted knowledge when overcome by passion to not understand science ... and ignore all the alternate intelligence that's beyond that restriction .... sometimes called mortal!

 

[crazyheart]

Somewhere in all these posts, both seeler and I posted "Are we not to question what is written in the

bible?"There seemed to be from some folk a resounding NO So then PP asks "do we make God in our image"?

We are human. Of course, we do. I am one of the "old folk" that PP speaks of. Imagine the arrogance

of typing this? Went to the bible and read the Creation 1 and 2 stories. I like Creation 1 better so

this is the one that , I think is God. "God saw everything that he had made, and, indeed, it was very good."

I don't like the God that tempts people, that promises that women will suffer in childbirth ,and controls

what Adam and Eve can do. So I make my God a creator, and when God sees God's people becoming tired, God

tells them to rest on the 7th. day. God in this story creates and cares for those things he created.

Then again, I really don't know so God could be like Donald Trump but who am I to judge?

But the God made in my image, looks at me and you and says ? Everything I made is good.

 

[Jaebius]

I don't like the God that tempts people...

"When people are tempted [undergoing a trial], they should not say, 'God is tempting me.' [L For] God cannot be tempted by evil, and he himself does not tempt anyone" - James 1:13 (EXB).