GeoFee ----your quote ------
would like to hear your point of view.
I have a simple mind and would prefer plain speech over a lot of quoted text with bold and underlined emphasis.
unsafe says -----
No GeoFee you really don't want to hear my point of view -----you want me to answer to the beat of your tune not mine --------your quote here says it all GeoFee ------
would prefer plain speech over a lot of quoted text with bold and underlined emphasis.
Here is my response -----
with scripture ---commentary and bold and underlined sentences -------this is Barne's notes ---not mine------take from it what you will ------
Because you yourself make this statement
-------Your Quote here GeoFee --------I have a simple mind and would prefer plain speech -----
unsafe says -----this is the scripture that the commentary is on ----I provided the Easy to read version for you -------
1 Timothy 2:11-14 (ERV)
11 A woman should learn while listening quietly and being completely willing to obey. 12 I don’t allow a woman to teach a man or tell him what to do. She must listen quietly, 13 because Adam was made first. Eve was made later. 14 Also, Adam was not the one who was tricked. It was the woman who was tricked and became a sinner.
Footnotes:
- 1 Timothy 2:14 Adam was not … tricked The devil tricked Eve, and Eve caused Adam to sin. See Gen. 3:1-13.
unsafe posted commentary from Barnes Notes -----
1 Timothy 2:14
1 Timothy 2:14 (KJV) - Barnes' Notes
Barnes' Notes
And Adam was not deceived - This is the second reason why the woman should occupy a subordinate rank in all things. It is, that in the most important situation in which she was ever placed she had shown that she was not qualified to take the lead. She had evinced a readiness to yield to temptation; a feebleness of resistance; a pliancy of character, which showed that she was not adapted to the situation of headship, and which made it proper that she should ever afterward occupy a subordinate situation. It is not meant here that Adam did not sin, nor even that he was not deceived by the tempter, but that the woman opposed a feebler resistance to the temptation than he would have done, and that the temptation as actually applied to her would have been ineffectual on him. To tempt and seduce him to fall, there were needed all the soft persuasions, the entreaties, and example of his wife.
Satan understood this, and approached man not with the specious argument of the serpent, but through the allurements of his wife.
It is undoubtedly implied here that man in general has a power of resisting certain kinds of temptation superior to that possessed by woman, and hence that the headship properly belongs to him. This is, undoubtedly, the general truth, though there may be many exceptions, and many noble cases to the honor of the female sex, in which they evince a power of resistance to temptation superior to man. In many traits of character, and among them those which are most lovely, woman is superior to man; yet it is undoubtedly true that, as a general thing, temptation will make a stronger impression on her than on him. When it is said that "
Adam was not deceived," it is not meant that when he partook actually of the fruit he was under no deception, but that he was not deceived by the serpent;
he was not first deceived, or first in the transgression.
The woman should remember that sin began with her, and she should therefore be willing to occupy an humble and subordinate situation.
But the woman being deceived - She was made to suppose that the fruit would not injure her, but would make her wise, and that
God would not fulfil his threatening of death. Sin, from the beginning, has been a process of delusion. Every man or woman who violates the
law of God is deceived as to the happiness which is expected from the violation, and as to the consequences which will follow it.
unsafe says --------Eve showed her weakness in being deceived by Satan and
God put the proper curse on here ------which is this -----
---and this is still in affect today with unbelievers ------women have been fighting for equal right for a long time -----not just in the church but in all society -----and it will continue ----Eve brought this on by her disobedience -----
unsafe says and Believes
For anyone male or female now who has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit are one in Christ Jesus ------in God's eyes there is no separation -----I personally believe that the Religion of Christianity with all it's human traditions have kept women from preaching and in roles of leadership ----not God's word -----it is the ignorance of proper understanding of the scripture that is the problem in my view ------- God is not a respecter of persons GeoFee --- in Spirit there is no gender ------it is all the so called Ministers and Priests ---and all who head lead roles in the church that remain under the control of the god of this world who say that women are not to be leaders in church in my opinion ------
unsafe says
I found this and this statement from this article is what I solely believe in my heart ---------read all at link below
Contrary to Popular Opinion, College or Seminary Education is not Beneficial for Pastors - Biblical Research Reports
God is quite clear in many passages of Scripture, and through the example of Jesus,
that higher education is not beneficial for pastors. Ignoring all that God has written about the subject, most churches require at least a college degree if not a seminary degree for their pastor.
Subconsciously, the church has bought into the belief that the educated few hold the key to understanding the deeper things of Scripture and that Christians need to look to the educated, who are mere men, for answers to the difficult questions and for spiritual understanding of the mysteries of Scripture.
Greek word for Priest ----Strong's Concordance
hiereus: a priest ----- metaphorically, of Christians, because,
purified by the blood of Christ and brought into close contact with God, they devote their life to him alone (and to Christ)
unsafe says ------
Here is the thing GeoFee ------Seminary school is not the Holy Spirit who is the only one who teaches all things pertaining to God's word ------being ordained by some school will not help you preach the truth -------Paul and the disciples attended no schools of seminary they received the Holy Spirit ----Jesus Himself did NOT start preaching until after He was Baptized and had the Holy Spirit -----So God Himself waited -----and He told His disciples to wait for the Comforter --The Holy Spirit before going to preach ------this is not Happening today ---being Ordained to me is not enough to preach and teach the Word Of God -----
Women who have the Holy Spirit are far more capable of Preaching and teaching God's word than any man who is without God in them -------This is just my view ----many will likely disagree but that is OK by me -----
You have a Great Day GeoFee -----
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