GENESIS: Snoopy's Short & Snappy Review

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Waterfall said:
.there is no mention of an afterlife or the promise of being with God forever in heaven if they are obedient.
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Hell was the afterlife in the Old Testament ---the wages of sin was and still is 2 deaths ---physical death and Spiritual death ----no one in the Old Testament went to heaven -----they went to Paradise --- which was part of Hades =====Jesus went to Paradise after His resurrection to take the Old Testament Saints to heaven with Him -----


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Hell, Sheol, Hades, Paradise, and the Grave

There seems to be some confusion about the meaning of Hell and who goes there because of the way the Hebrew word Sheol and the Greek word Hades have been translated in our English Bibles. Since this confusion has led some into an erroneous understanding of what the Bible actually teaches about the i
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PARADISE​

While Paradise is not now a part of Sheol/Hades it will be mentioned here because it was located in Sheol/Hades at one time.

Before the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ everybody who died went to Sheol/Hades, which was at that time divided into at least two compartments. One was a place of torment while the other was a place of blessing, which was referred to as Abraham’s Bosom (Lk. 16:22-25). As we mentioned before, Tartarus may be a specific place in Sheol/Hades.

We know that Jesus Christ went “into the lower parts of the earth” (Eph. 4:9), that is to Sheol/Hades, “in the heart of the earth,” for three days and nights while his body was in the grave (Mat. 12:40).

The Lord Jesus told the repentant thief that he would join Him in Paradise that same day (Lk. 23:42,43). This tells us that Paradise was located in Sheol/Hades at that time.

We believe that this was the same place referred to as Abraham’s Bosom in Luke 16.

However, after Jesus Christ rose from the dead He ascended to the Father, taking the saints who were in Abraham’s Bosom to heaven with Him. Thus, He took “captivity captive” (see Eph. 4:8-10).

That Paradise was moved to heaven is confirmed to us by the Apostle Paul who speaks of a man who was “caught up into Paradise” where he “heard unspeakable words” (II Cor. 12:3,4).

With Jesus Christ’s work complete, the believers who had been confined to Sheol/Hades were now taken to Heaven to wait in God’s presence until the time of their resurrection to enter His Kingdom on Earth.
 
May I just say we have encountered none of this theology so far in Genesis @unsafe?

I am trying to take the approach of reading Genesis without looking ahead. Sometimes I just can't help it though. ;)
 
unsafe said:
Hell was the afterlife in the Old Testament ---the wages of sin was and still is 2 deaths ---physical death and Spiritual death ----no one in the Old Testament went to heaven -----they went to Paradise --- which was part of Hades =====Jesus went to Paradise after His resurrection to take the Old Testament Saints to heaven with Him -----


bereanbiblesociety.org

Hell, Sheol, Hades, Paradise, and the Grave

There seems to be some confusion about the meaning of Hell and who goes there because of the way the Hebrew word Sheol and the Greek word Hades have been translated in our English Bibles. Since this confusion has led some into an erroneous understanding of what the Bible actually teaches about the i
bereanbiblesociety.org bereanbiblesociety.org

PARADISE​

While Paradise is not now a part of Sheol/Hades it will be mentioned here because it was located in Sheol/Hades at one time.

Before the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ everybody who died went to Sheol/Hades, which was at that time divided into at least two compartments. One was a place of torment while the other was a place of blessing, which was referred to as Abraham’s Bosom (Lk. 16:22-25). As we mentioned before, Tartarus may be a specific place in Sheol/Hades.

We know that Jesus Christ went “into the lower parts of the earth” (Eph. 4:9), that is to Sheol/Hades, “in the heart of the earth,” for three days and nights while his body was in the grave (Mat. 12:40).

The Lord Jesus told the repentant thief that he would join Him in Paradise that same day (Lk. 23:42,43). This tells us that Paradise was located in Sheol/Hades at that time.

We believe that this was the same place referred to as Abraham’s Bosom in Luke 16.

However, after Jesus Christ rose from the dead He ascended to the Father, taking the saints who were in Abraham’s Bosom to heaven with Him. Thus, He took “captivity captive” (see Eph. 4:8-10).

That Paradise was moved to heaven is confirmed to us by the Apostle Paul who speaks of a man who was “caught up into Paradise” where he “heard unspeakable words” (II Cor. 12:3,4).

With Jesus Christ’s work complete, the believers who had been confined to Sheol/Hades were now taken to Heaven to wait in God’s presence until the time of their resurrection to enter His Kingdom on Earth.
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Let's just say I believe differently than what you posted.
 
Which makes total sense given that we have no proof. There are NDEs, but they are not death. I've had after-death visits but how am I to distinguish them from my own grief?
 
We probably don't need this to turn into a general purpose discussion of the afterlife. We have Mystic's thread in R&F for that. Let's focus on the story we have in hand in Genesis.
 
On the non sacrifice of Isaac:

New thing I read

Perhaps Abraham knew before hand both Isaac and Abraham were coming back
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Stay here with the donkey; I and the boy will go over there and worship and come again to you” Gen 22:5

And "“God himself will provide the lamb” Gen 22:8

And since Abraham was very Faithful, Abraham knew God could do anything, including resurrecting Isaac, making it so Isaac wouldn't feel trauma, etc?

Also the possible symbols. Since I would guess those people in those times in a way had a much richer sacred life where everything was magical and such, these things were symbolic? How many other times are people told to sacrifice their spouses? Hmm...
 
GordW said:
One year when working with this passage I wrote this prayer. The basis is that I was wondering how we still might sacrifice children:

From June 26, 2005 -- Proper 8, 6th AfterPentecost

This comes from the archives since we aren't dealing with the Genesis story this year. A Confession Prayer based on the sacrifice of Isaac: ...
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Wow, takes me back...*NOSTALGIA BREAK*
Redbaron said:
If God already knew the outcome beforehand, then this 'test' is a sham. It was unnecessary. Why go though the charade, if the result is already known?
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An example of not being able to make a square circle?
 
Hi all. Here is Genesis 27

Snoopy's Snappy Review: Such a sneaky mother and son! :rolleyes:
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Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 27 - New English Translation

Jacob Cheats Esau out of the Blessing - When Isaac was old and his eyes were so weak that he was almost blind, he called his older son Esau and said to him, “My son!” “Here I am!” Esau replied. Isaac said, “Since I am so old, I could die at any time. Therefore, take your weapons—your quiver and...
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Rebekah and Jacob contrive together to obtain Isaac's blessing for Jacob. Isaac had intended the blessing for Esau but the two sneaks pull off a ruse.

Isaac is losing his eyesight and expecting to die soon. So he summons Esau for a blessing. But first he wants Esau to go hunting in the fields and prepare a tasty dish for him.

Off goes Esau.

Meanwhile, Rebekah roasts two young goats for the meal and instructs Jacob to put the skins on his hands and neck. Isaac is fooled and gives the blessing to Jacob.

Esau returns but it is too late. He is told by Isaac that he must serve his brother. Esau is outraged and vows to kill Jacob after Isaac dies.

Jacob is sent to Rebekah's brother Laban for his own safety. He will be called home when Esau's rage subsides.

Rebekah tells Isaac she is distressed by Esau's marriage to the two Hittite women.
 
Esau had already traded away his birthright to Jacob. Why does Isaac summon Esau for the blessing then?

I have been assuming the birthright and the blessing go together. Some commentators suggest not.

Doesn't this read like a fairytale? One brother impersonates the other (who is hairy) by putting on goatskins. It also has echoes of the Cain and Abel story with its murderous rage between brothers.

Meat is so desirable in both cases! Was Rebekah being wasteful by sacrificing the two goats? And why two of them?
 
Birthright is inheritance of status and property including servants and animals. Blessing is wish or promise of a good life. When Jacob returns 14 years later, Esau has done well.
 
Interesting that Esau married Hittite women who worshiped the sun god and it's lesser god's and Esau's mother did not approve of that. Sounds like no matter what, Esau was still seen to receive the birthright from his father.

As a contrast, later in Solomon's family's case it was God who took away some of the birthright because of Solomon building temple's for his foreign wives' god's.

Perhaps Jacobs mother was acting on God's behalf so the foreign gods temple's would be removed as would happen in the future with Solomon? (Speculation)
 
Have other gods been mentioned yet in Genesis? I am thinking not but I might have missed something in the text.

I have the impression that looking for wives amongst kinswomen had to do with preserving assets for the clan. (Not being concerned about who they happened to worship.)

Other gods will certainly be talked about when God gets around to issuing the Ten Commandments. Commandment #1 I believe.
 
Delightful Life said:
The tower of Babel scripture
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Genesis 11: 1 - 9.

Looks to me like it's about the whole earth having a common language and a common vocabulary. The Lord scattered the people across the earth and confused their language due to their tower building.

I don't see anything about them worshipping other Gods.
 
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