Forgive me, but.....

[Graeme Decarie]

This has been on my mind for a long time. We (the U.S. and it allies) have fought wars almost constantly since 1945. Most were and are illegal under international law. (That includes Canada's role in Afghanistan.) Canada's role has been to be the faithful dog plodding behind its master. In that time, the U.S. has attacked at least seventy countries. And not one of them was justifiable as an act of defence or as act of assisting the citizens on the other side. All were economic wars to benefit American billionaires. And, no, Korea was no exception to that rule.
In the course of these wars, the U.S. has murdered an unknown and unknowable number of civilians, mostly women and children. That happens because it's faster and cheaper to slaughter by indiscriminate bombing. It's also a useful way to spread terror. A very modest estimate of the deaths would be five million. And it's more likely over twice that.
All of this has been done to satisfy the greed of billionaires (who don't have to pay for the wars because they don't pay taxes.)
With greed as our focus, we have ignored a threat that should have us terrified. Climate change is happening. And we aren't doing a thing to prepare for it because all our money and time are devoted to billionaires.
If there has ever been a great evil in world history, this is it.
(I thought of this as I read an ad for the Irving Chapel, built and owned by a local billionaire, and operated by a weekly example of the best ministers money can buy. It's a tourist attraction because it's irving and the first Irving billionaire is buried there). Nearby, is a Catholic church whose graveyard holds the remains of a local lay missionary who was murdered by CIA and the Guatemalan army because he interfered with their slaughter of 200,000 Maya in the 1970s. But nobody goes to see that. In fact, almost nobody knows about it.
(One can't talk about these things in New Brunswick because these are the most frightened and conformist people I have ever encountered. They're too scared of the local billionaire to have political opinions.)
I think we live in a Christian world that embraces enormous evils.
Can a Christian church call itself Christian when it so grossly ignores the fundamental teachings of Jesus?

 

[Graeme Decarie]

To be realistic, we are the Naziis of our time. That's not an exaggeration. Hitler's Naziism, though called 'socialism', had nothing socialist about it. It was identical to today's western capitalism.

 

[Jae]

To be realistic, we are the Naziis of our time. That's not an exaggeration. Hitler's Naziism, though called 'socialism', had nothing socialist about it. It was identical to today's western capitalism.

 

[Graeme Decarie]

Is there anyone intelligent out there?

 

[GeoFee]

To be realistic, we are the Naziis of our time. That's not an exaggeration. Hitler's Naziism, though called 'socialism', had nothing socialist about it. It was identical to today's western capitalism.

"The banality of evil." H.A.

As the masses take on credit to shop for distraction and diversion.

"Let's stick our heads into the sand. Just pretend that all is grand. And hope that everything turns out okay." Steppenwolf

 

[chansen]

Is there anyone intelligent out there?

Yes, but they are all morbidly curious about what kind of train wreck you and Jae could achieve.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Is there anyone intelligent out there?

Not sure how much I qualify as intelligent - but how do you feel about the huge increase in projected military spending vs. healthcare savings on medically assisted suicide, that is moving along at about 5 times the rate of the US's numbers? I'm sure there's no direct and deliberate correlation in even the minds of the number crunchers. On a spreadsheet - it's just a budget item called "healthcare". Then "social programs". Disability has been moved from a protected human rights ground on par with religion, race and gender - prior to the passage of this law we ratified the UN Convention of the Rights of People with Disabilities, which recognizes that that illness and disability have distinctions between them - disability being recognized by the UN as something that occurs because people with impediments are disabled by barriers like poverty and lack of access. Now it is a reason to ask to die - while 50% of human rights cases that can be tied up for years in tribunals are disability related.

Originally the law garnered public support for those dying in the end stages of terminal illness. Then they did a bait n' switch.

People are very averse to learning about the similarities of this to the t4 Akton program in WW2 Germany. You almost can't mention it. It's unthinkable that there would be similarities. The most crucial being the removal of criminal prosecution, from doctors, for killing disabled people, the next being giving doctors authority to interpret the law as to who qualifies. The Nazis called people with disabilities "useless eaters". The first person to die was a child whose parent asked Hitler to perform a mercy killing. He appointed his doctor to the case. Over the months and years the "program" expanded to adults, and those who did the deed were called compassionate and just and patriotic.

However, we simply just put out a budget report reassuring people that medically assisted dying will not cost more...surprise, it's actually saving lots of money! Imagine that. Oh how compassionate and just we are. I know you think my concern is selective Christianity but war and genocide tend to go together. We can't call something genocide if people volunteer for it - so, I won't - but I still find it suspect and deserving of rigorous attention on the home front.

 

[Luce NDs]

Is there anyone intelligent out there?

Just more thin Eire domains ... the parietal lobe as a veil of separation by means? Este ruse ... the ethereal goes on in essence differing from existential wealth ...

 

[Luce NDs]

On the CBC local this morning ... stats from O'Hi-o .. thye have 4000 deaths from overdose ... pharmaceutic planning?

Thus death is ferme doute ... tis prescient in talented minds observing opportunity to be the last standing order ...

And there the spin ...

 

[Waterfall]

Graeme, I have heard you speak of the Irvings for awhile now, and I have to admit I didn't really quite "get" what you were saying until I read this article. Maybe others will benefit from reading it as well:

What have the Irvings done to New Brunswick?

 

[Graeme Decarie]

Kimmio - assisted suicide is the choice of the recipient, not the order of the government. Can't you see the difference between that and mass murder of the unwilling to die?

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Kimmio - assisted suicide is the choice of the recipient, not the order of the government. Can't you see the difference between that and mass murder of the unwilling to die?

Of course I see the difference. Then again, propaganda is a powerful slight of hand tool - can convince people anything is moral, also. Even the otherwise conscientiously war wary. So I see the similarities, also.

 

[Graeme Decarie]

And, more to the point, don't you get the message that we, all of us, consent to this mass murder? Anyway, the real question is - does the church have an obligation to take a public stand on this? From your fixation, am I to assume that your think mass murder by bombing and starvation is quite acceptable to Christians?

 

[Graeme Decarie]

The last three sentences of your post are pointless. So, of course, jae likes them.
In world war two, most of the german churches did not take a stand against Hitler. Now, it seems that you and jae would not take a stand against our Hitlers.;

 

[Jae]

And, more to the point, don't you get the message that we, all of us, consent to this mass murder? Anyway, the real question is - does the church have an obligation to take a public stand on this? From your fixation, am I to assume that your think mass murder by bombing and starvation is quite acceptable to Christians?

What about the mass murder that is known as "abortion" Graeme. The church has an obligation to take a public stand on this too, right.

 

[Graeme Decarie]

The last three sentences of your post are pointless. So, of course, jae likes them.
In world war two, most of the german churches did not take a stand against Hitler. Now, it seems that you and jae would not take a stand against our Hitlers.;

 

[Jae]

The last three sentences of your post are pointless. So, of course, jae likes them.
In world war two, most of the german churches did not take a stand against Hitler. Now, it seems that you and jae would not take a stand against our Hitlers.;

What stand are you taking against the abortion mills Graeme?

As for your suggestion, I don't equate Nazi Germany with Canada as you do. I doubt @Kimmio does either.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

No. But I do see themes, when the war rhetoric heats up. I would hope we could never again repeat that...but when you see shades of it...???

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

The last three sentences of your post are pointless. So, of course, jae likes them.
In world war two, most of the german churches did not take a stand against Hitler. Now, it seems that you and jae would not take a stand against our Hitlers.;

Oh? And neither would you.

 

[Graeme Decarie]

Oh, jae, you're so right. So in World War Two, our churches should have been taking a stand against abortion, and not wasting all their righteousness on a lot of Jews.
Amazing how Christians like taking socially acceptable stands, but would never dream of taking one that might put them in danger of disapproval by the authorities. You, jae, have been lauding a man who's a mass killer and a promoter of racial hatred. And, apparently, you prefer to see expectant mothers maim and even kill themselves aborting their own children rather than doing it in relative safety. (And they would because they've been doing it for thousands of years. As always your religion is not in serving others but in serving your own sense of your righteousness.
Outlawing abortion would not make it less common. It would simply make it more dangerous. Your anti-abortion is not based on any Christian sense of preventing suffering. It's on parading your own virtue.
And, obviously, you feel that God wants us to kill Moslems with bombs, bullets and starvation so that God's chosen oil billionaires can control the middle east oilfields.