For Mom: Water into Wine (John 2: 1-11)

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There is a lot of unconscious, involuntary arranging ... how this occurs is must occult (OCD)! Chaos and irrationality ensues ...

Tis an essence that hovers over ... metaphorically and anachronistically ... few read that deep ...

Emotions and passions are pro found 'ed ... initiates? From there they get intu ide ...
 
What Comes to my Mind when I read about this first Miracle is this -------

Jesus did it very reluctantly ----- He even tells His Mother not to involve Him as His time had not come ------so what or who changed His Mind -----that is the question ????????

Mary seemed to disagree that it was not His time ----she feels it is His time -----

This plea was kept secret from most of the guest ----but there were some who were a witness to this event -----and that is what is important here -------

First off Mary pays no attention to what Jesus said and she tells the servants ---to do whatever He says ------
this is important here as Obedience to her request is necessary ----they are to act on Jesus command -----Faith in action ----positive response to the command --

So to me Mary knew that Jesus would give a command to the servants ----even though He bucked her on preforming this task -------did God the Father have a role in this ??Or did He see what was in His Mother's heart ----???

Jesus does nothing on His own ---He does His Father's Will ---

Jesus gives this command to the servants ---

7 Jesus said to the servants, “Fill the jars with water”; so they filled them to the brim.

8 Then he told them, “Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet.”
They did so,

--They obey ---so this says they had the right faith that propelled them to obey this command --
Faith always requires a positive response to God's command -----

Second who were the witnesses to this event ------the servants -----which was important as they now witnessed first hand the power and divine glory of Jesus -----

verse 11 says

11 What Jesus did here in Cana of Galilee was the first of the signs through which he revealed his glory; and his disciples believed in him.

I say ----This event was in my view wasn't for the higher class people to witness ---as the master of the banquet was not aware of what Jesus did ----he gives Jesus credit for saving the best wine for last ------but has no clue Jesus changed water into wine

This to me represents Jesus making the statement ----the lower will be the Higher and the Highest will be the lower ------

the First shall be Last -----and the ----Last shall be First -------
 
So literal compared to the depth of enlightened literary devices as occurred in fallacy of logos (that God as a friable word)!

May raise diabolical squeals as the wheels turn ... there being that eternal turn that's up there, beyond mortal comprehension (sentient)? Causes some melt down and sapience ... substance that is out there ... dark matter! Not seen by those without a mystical Leve ... close to lambda ... the goat being the patriarch thus the lam's Da ... a đΛ indicating divine spark or peek ... duo 've understanding as coupled ... abstract absolute? Imagine looking into the dark when stunned ...

Love is like that! It does its best to dispose of mental functions ... psyche sophistication may take over at the end ore ...
 
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I was actually wondering how Mary knew Jesus would need the assistance of the servants to solve the problem of the wine.
 
paradox3 said:
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I was actually wondering how Mary knew Jesus would need the assistance of the servants to solve the problem of the wine.
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Service is always required when selling such mind numbing materials as coupling, paring and sacrifice of prior thought!

Thus myth or P 'aris ... as parsed ... if I dare say such things ...
 
paradox3 said:
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I was actually wondering how Mary knew Jesus would need the assistance of the servants to solve the problem of the wine.
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Someone needed to bring wine containers, I guess. Putting on my writer hat, I suspect it's something that is just a plot element, not meant to be examined too closely. :giggle:
 
paradox3 said:
I was actually wondering how Mary knew Jesus would need the assistance of the servants to solve the problem of the wine.
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My view ----is---- I don't know if Mary knew that Jesus needed any assistance ----I think Mary knew in her heart that the time was right for this event to take place ----and inspite of Jesus saying It was not His time ---she went ahead and told the Servants to obey His command --like she knew He would do as she had ask ----and He did --as soon as she told the servants to obey whatever He requested then to do ------He told them to fill the Jars with water ----

She didn't ask the servants to fill the jars ---she says Obey whatever He asks ---so she was just telling the servants to obey what Her Son asked them to do -and they listened to her request and obeyed her request --she was asking them Follow His Lead ----and they complied -----

They could have said no we won't listen to your pleas nor will we comply ----this is a crazy request -----but they didn't they complied with her request ----to Obey wherever He asks ------

----Jesus is the one who gave the Command to fill the jars ---

This is what we are to do -----with the Word ----we are to obey the Word who is Jesus -----
 
Just been taking a look at the notes in my NIV study Bible. It says little is known about weddings in the Holy Land in the first century. But the feast was important and might go on for a week. Hospitality was a serious obligation.
 
paradox3 said:
Just been taking a look at the notes in my NIV study Bible. It says little is known about weddings in the Holy Land in the first century. But the feast was important and might go on for a week. Hospitality was a serious obligation.
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My son got to go to a traditional Pakistani wedding (his partner is from that culture). Three days. So I can kind of picture this. :giggle:
 
My NIV study Bible also suggests that by calling the miracles "signs" John is emphasizing significance rather than marvel. Makes sense.
 
paradox3 said:
I am intrigued by Jesus saying, "My hour has not yet come."(v.4)

Did he mean he was not yet ready to demonstrate his true nature and do something about the wine situation?

Or is this foreshadowing about his crucifixion? Similar language is used elsewhere in the gospels.
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This is also mentioned in the study notes I have just been reviewing.

Glad I thought of it myself before consulting the notes. :D
 
There is a book by Walter Wink about facilitating bible study sessions. He suggests reading and thinking about the text before consulting expert opinion. Commentaries have their place but reading them should be the final step in the process, he says.
 
Mendalla said:
...the author of John [is] just a Jewish Christian whose community had a falling out with the Jewish mainstream.
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And that is precisely why Bette is wrong to characterize John as anti-Semitic. Black men sometimes throw the N-word at each other, often in jest. In that context, doing so is hardly racist.

I will eventually comment on the multi-valent sign-significance of John 2:1-11. But first I want to flesh out my point about Jesus saying No to women. I will address that in detail later today.
 
Mendalla said:
That is conjecture, though. And which Mary and John are you referring to? Mary the mother, who is present here, has never presented as anything other than a mainstream Jew of her day. Mary Magdalene isn't in the story yet. And the only John at this stage is John the Baptist, who may well have been Essene but is not involved in this story. And I have never heard that the author of John, if that's who you mean, was Essene, just a Jewish Christian whose community had a falling out with the Jewish mainstream. I don't believe we have hard, clearly documented evidence for anyone in the Gospels actually being Essene, just speculation based on evidence like behaviour and beliefs.
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It is conjecture but favored by some biblical scholars. The Essenes were a Jewish sect along with the Sadducees and the Pharisees. They are referring to Jesus mother Mary and John the Baptist. It is also conjectured that James the Just was the head of the Jerusalem Essene Church which the Essene Gate led to. It was destroyed in 70 CE.
The Dead Sea Scrolls are said to have been hidden by the Essenes and also contain Essene texts.
As far as Jesus hesitating to create more wine...maybe because Essenes dont drink alcohol?
Just an alternative view I'm offering.
 
Waterfall said:
As far as Jesus hesitating to create more wine...maybe because Essenes dont drink alcohol?
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Except that doesn't fit with his explanation of the time has not come or the idea of this being a sign of who he really is. IOW this has nothing to do with it being wine, but with what the act of transformation says about Jesus. Details like whether someone or other was Essene don't change that meaning.
 
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