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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
They're big bullies who've cornered the market so there are no other options. And their lobbies pay huge money to obfuscate the narrative rendering climate change vs no climate change some sort of "optional" belief system so that it hasn't been taken seriously enough - while they've profited - for decades. Talk about "gaslighting". They're the ones caging us in.

Yes, unfortunately, we need oil and gas as the transitions are made but they need to be made sooner not later.
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Power corrupts ... and thus casts eclipses on the alternate ... as occult icons! The determined cannot drift along with moving thoughts to see how ephemeral thes may be as ... indeterminate fixations! Thus one cannot make oaths to thongs that are fickle and flighty as passionate captives. Things may change due to unforeseeable situations ... the firm, pious and determinate can't see these movements ...

These cast offs may appear as scratchings on some meddlin media --- Don the Drumpf. It may be mediocre in a powerful vision of fallacy ... as a logical failure!
 
Bull and Brahma ... will overcome all mortal smells ... thus the BS goes on while intellect recesses as Moses when facing God ... emotions can screw up anything and everything --- God gave an icon of their such! Thus Romeo and Judean ... misspelled as Julian's pectre the pecking order!
 
Pontifex Geronimo 13 said:
I am trying to bring reality into the discussion. The left brings up absurd ideas and I am only pointing out what it would look like to take their ideas to their logical conclusion.
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I understand where you are coming from ...
Patrick Moore makes good sense of what you are bringing into the conversation.

Carbon dioxide is not the problem. I understand that.
Pontifex Geronimo 13 said:
Pollution and climate change are not the same thing. Carbon dioxide is not pollution.
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I agree.
 
Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant?.....where are you getting this false information?
Citation please.
 
Waterfall said:
Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant?.....where are you getting this false information?
Citation please.
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Let's be clear, CO2 is not a pollutant in the same sense as other things we emit like particulates or smog. It is a natural component of our atmosphere. We exhale it into the atmosphere every time we breathe. Plants require it to exist. The total absence of CO2 would be the end of all life as we know it and turn the planet into a ball of ice.

It is only a pollutant when we emit more into the atmosphere than can be processed by those natural processes. IOW, it's not a case of something that doesn't belong, it's a case of too much of something that does.

And,.to be honest, this isn't the first time in geological history that CO2 level have risen and caused global warming. It is the first time a lifeform's day to day activities have been the source. In the past, it has generally been caused by geological sources.
 
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And realistically, if it keeps rising, Gaia, the Earth, will "deal with it". She doesn't care whom of us (all of Creation) go extinct as she re-balances. And she doesn't care who caused it.

So as far as I see it, we have a choice between non-life (extinction of our species, anyway; some more persistent life, like cockroaches and Japanese knotweed will, no doubt, continue) and life. We can give up, as some seem to have done, or try to resist/live (at least for our children) by attempting to "draw down" the excess carbon in the biosphere.
 
BetteTheRed said:
And realistically, if it keeps rising, Gaia, the Earth, will "deal with it". She doesn't care whom of us (all of Creation) go extinct as she re-balances. And she doesn't care who caused it.
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This precisely. Even the Permian mass extinction was a blip in time. Life came back, but not a lot of the life that existed before it. Ditto the Cretaceous exinction event. Birds, mammals, some reptiles and amphibians, lots of bugs made it through. But non-avian dinosaurs, pterodactylids, mosasaurs, plesiosaurs, and so on were gone for good. And those survivors repopulated the Earth in record time now that they no longer had to compete with the likes of the dinos. We are in the unique position of being both the asteroid and the non-avian dinosaurs, which means can actually save ourselves.
 
Mendalla said:
Let's be clear, CO2 is not a pollutant in the same sense as other things we emit like particulates or smog. It is a natural component of our atmosphere. We exhale it into the atmosphere every time we breathe. Plants require it to exist. The total absence of CO2 would be the end of all life as we know it and turn the planet into a ball of ice.

It is only a pollutant when we emit more into the atmosphere than can be processed by those natural processes. IOW, it's not a case of something that doesn't belong, it's a case of too much of something that does.

And,.to be honest, this isn't the first time in geological history that CO2 level have risen and caused global warming. It is the first time a lifeform's day to day activities have been the source. In the past, it has generally been caused by geological sources.
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Yes, yes, we all know carbon dioxide is a natural component in the atmosphere ....we are trying to reduce CO2 because it has now become a pollutant caused by humans and we have a carbon overload.
www.ucsusa.org

Why Does CO2 get Most of the Attention When There are so Many Other Heat-Trapping Gases?

Climate change is primarily a problem of too much carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
www.ucsusa.org www.ucsusa.org
 
Waterfall said:
Yes, yes, we all know carbon dioxide is a natural component in the atmosphere ....we are trying to reduce CO2 because it has now become a pollutant caused by humans and we have a carbon overload.
www.ucsusa.org

Why Does CO2 get Most of the Attention When There are so Many Other Heat-Trapping Gases?

Climate change is primarily a problem of too much carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
www.ucsusa.org www.ucsusa.org
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Yes, we are. I fully understand global warming and am not a climate change skeptic so drop the patronizing tone. I'll bet I understood it long before most people here because of my interest in science. In fact, if you read my followup post in response to Bette carefully I was quite clear on the point that we need to do something if we are to survive as a species.

However, that still does not make CO2 a "pollutant" in the same league as particulates or smog. It is a different sort of problem again from conventional pollution both in its nature and its effects.
 
Mendalla said:
Yes, we are. I fully understand global warming and am not a climate change skeptic so drop the patronizing tone. I'll bet I understood it long before most people here because of my interest in science. In fact, if you read my followup post in response to Bette carefully I was quite clear on the point that we need to do something if we are to survive as a species.

However, that still does not make CO2 a "pollutant" in the same league as particulates or smog. It is a different sort of problem again from conventional pollution both in its nature and its effects.
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To me it becomes a "pollutant" when it is caused by coal, oil, gas and trees being cut down...in other words a human cause (as the article mentions) and when we purposely over burden the atmosphere or our water.
 
CO2 is a major component of acrylic, cellulitic and glucosic material ... utilized for structures to contain life ...

It also makes frothy beers that may bier up the imagination about detecting IR energy! Thus we may be ired by being on the wrong side of such rendered down creations ...
 
Listening and hearing well into the darkness of silenced items ... may be two different things and thus the deuce of a free choice to see what character a person is made of as attribute! These may be scratched out on an archaic medium! Thus scratch creation as an abstract ... the deep, dark unknown! Rills, glens groves where the blossoming ones hang out ... just groovin!

In hi skillin ... one can carve a face in a tree ... that's Oh Din, or Otan ... depending on the warp and twist. Don't speak of it to the immersed in desires ... they could be aflame! The reason for dunk Anne ... Anis concern!
 
www.theguardian.com

London police arrest Extinction Rebellion activists before protest

Officers raid building used by climate activists to store items for Westminster rally
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Caroline Vincent, who works in police liaison for Extinction Rebellion, said:

“Police don’t want us to move equipment out which is considered infrastructure because they think it’s going to be used to commit a crime, and the crime is blocking the highway.

“So pita and pans are considered to be equipment that will be used to commit a crime; cushions too, apparently. The only things we are allowed to move away are first aid kits, milk and fliers.”

Activists said they were concerned at the police decision to act pre-emptively against them.

Richard Ecclestone, a former police officer who has joined the group, said: “These tactics are very questionable and are arguably infringing on our rights to peaceful protest, and indeed our efforts to preserve people’s right to life that is currently being jeopardised by the government failing to act on the climate and ecological emergency that they know exists.”
Mrs.Anteater said:
I am not sure if I blocking traffic a useful tool to make people more aware. Most people will just be annoyed and it could just turn people against the movement.
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The group said in a statement:
“This escalation of pre-emptive tactics by the government and police is a sign that we are being heard and acknowledged as a significant movement."
 
Pontifex Geronimo 13 said:
The “Powers that be” are trying to frighten you into wanting them to take total control of your lives. You will not like that.
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Mr Cooper, the Albertan political scientist - who is a separatist - says he is certain that if Mr Trudeau is re-elected, Albertan separation will soon follow.

As talk about climate change in Canada heats up and construction on pipelines grows cold, frustrated Albertans have breathed new life into old regional grudges and the western separatist movement.

Wexit stage right ?
 
Ritafee said:
www.theguardian.com

London police arrest Extinction Rebellion activists before protest

Officers raid building used by climate activists to store items for Westminster rally
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Caroline Vincent, who works in police liaison for Extinction Rebellion, said:

“Police don’t want us to move equipment out which is considered infrastructure because they think it’s going to be used to commit a crime, and the crime is blocking the highway.

“So pita and pans are considered to be equipment that will be used to commit a crime; cushions too, apparently. The only things we are allowed to move away are first aid kits, milk and fliers.”

Activists said they were concerned at the police decision to act pre-emptively against them.

Richard Ecclestone, a former police officer who has joined the group, said: “These tactics are very questionable and are arguably infringing on our rights to peaceful protest, and indeed our efforts to preserve people’s right to life that is currently being jeopardised by the government failing to act on the climate and ecological emergency that they know exists.”

The group said in a statement:
“This escalation of pre-emptive tactics by the government and police is a sign that we are being heard and acknowledged as a significant movement."
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Wow, this definitely will bring people on XR side. Sounds like a bad tactic for the police.
Here in Halifax the XRs are preparing to block one of two major bridges in Hfx. Email today said in cooperation with the police, the police has already said that they will block/ reroute traffic the bridge before the demonstration starts.
I wasn’t aware that the thought was to stay there until several requests were followed or until the “ campers” were removed. Met one of them today at the local peace vigil- he had a terrible cold and I am worried about him living on a cold windy bridge ( he is probably in his seventies). I will be at work on Monday, not needing to cross that bridge.
 
Ritafee said:
Mr Cooper, the Albertan political scientist - who is a separatist - says he is certain that if Mr Trudeau is re-elected, Albertan separation will soon follow.

As talk about climate change in Canada heats up and construction on pipelines grows cold, frustrated Albertans have breathed new life into old regional grudges and the western separatist movement.

Wexit stage right ?
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Yes.
For sure.
If Trudeau is re-elected, Alberta will separate, probably Sask and NWT at least will come too. We will keep the name Canada and retain our way of life, and whoever doesn’t come with us can be Hogwarts or whatever fairytale dream they want to invent. They can wave their little energy wand and make it so.
 
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