Euthanasia in Canada, Supreme Court Ruled this Morning

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Northwind said:
Wow. If I were reading this without knowing the topic is about assisted suicide, I would think you were arguing about a new law that said PWD must be euthanized @Kimmio . Such a pessimistic view of the world and of people. All this ruling did was give people a choice. I do not think there will be nearly as much gloom and doom as you predict.
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I never said any such thing. I don't like this ruling because it sys that, even with choice, my life as a PWD is worth less than your life as someone who is not a PWD.
 
Undef the laws about assisted suicide have not been made yet. Only a ruling that says under what circumstances somebody can ask for assisted suicide, naming disability as one such. That is what I object to.I object to PWDs asking because they are PWDs. @Northwind please be clear on that.

Imagine if the ruling had named a gender or ethnic group....that's the POINT.
 
Kimmio said:
I never said any such thing. I don't like this ruling because it sys that, even with choice, my life as a PWD is worth less than your life as someone who is not a PWD.
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I hear this as your opinion Kimmio. I don't perceive it as the expressed opinion of others who hold different opinions about this Supreme Court ruling.
 
Carolla said:
I hear this as your opinion Kimmio. I don't perceive it as the expressed opinion of others who hold different opinions about this Supreme Court ruling.
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Well, that's just another attitudinal barrier then that PWDs are going to be up against because most people don't get it. Nothing unusual, just disappointing. By not recognizing the misuse of the world disability or by thinking it is a non-issue you are discriminating.
 
Kimmio said - "my life as a PWD is worth less than your life as someone who is not a PWD" This is absolutely not my opinion - just to be clear. Although you do not seem to believe me, and that's okay - I respect your right to disagree.
 
As I have said many times, the accurate use of the word disability is not equivalent to physical or mental impairment. The accurate use of the word disability aknowledges that although a person with a disability has an impairment it is barriers put up in and by society that disables them. Therefore, this ruling says that either "we don't aknowledge that" or "even if we do aknowledge that, those societal barriers are not our problem to consider or do something about in assessing the reasons why someone might want to die" - this ruling puts up another barrier that we have a year to address.
 
Kimmio said:
@Carolla what does disability mean in your own words, and explain why you think naming it along with illness and disease is not a cause for concern?
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Kimmio - I'm not going to reply - because I don't think I have anything to add that has not been said repeatedly in the previous 1400 posts on this thread.

I repeat that I do not hold the opinion that the lives of people with disabilities are worth any less than my own or others.
 
No it hasn't really been answered. That's just stonewalling. If people don't think that PWDs lives are less valuable as PWDs then why are they comfortable with the misuse of the word disability in this ruling. That doesn't make sense.
 
chansen said:
They would think a lot of us are euthanasia enthusiasts.
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Certainly a few here are quite liberally supportive of it. Not you necessarily. I never got that from you. What I got from you is the inclination to disagree with me because you think others here are more credible and that because the majority holds an opinion about something there could be nothing wrong or dangerous about that opinion. That's fine. You get too nasty to debate with for my liking.
 
And now I wonder, how will this ruling affect Theists? Will we find our blessed assurance from knowing a lethal syringe can be placed on a silver platter (whether we use it or not) and becomes our hope (or assurance) or do we place our assurance in Christ who has defeated death? Can this thinking coexist?
 
Kimmio - can you give us your working definition of 'disability'?

You seem to be ssaying that many of us are misusing the word.
 
Waterfall said:
And now I wonder, how will this ruling affect Theists? Will we find our blessed assurance from knowing a lethal syringe can be placed on a silver platter (whether we use it or not) and becomes our hope (or assurance) or do we place our assurance in Christ who has defeated death? Can this thinking coexist?
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The onus in this ruling is on each individual facing an end-of-life decision to decide based on their values and I assume that for people of almost any faith or philosophy, their beliefs will factor in to their decision. They can co-exist to the point where each of us can accept that someone else makes a different decision even if our own faith runs counter to what they decided.

So, each "theist" (your post is a bit confusing in that you say "theists" but then mention "Christ" and "theist" does not equal "Christian") will have to answer these questions for themselves, though I'm sure that in some/most cases the church hierarchies will have something to say to their flocks about how they should answer it.
 
Yes should have said Christian, but other faiths will have similar issues I suppose. Haven't heard from any religious representative thus far though have you?

To the ministers on this site, what will you say to your flock? Anything?
 
Waterfall said:
Yes should have said Christian, but other faiths will have similar issues I suppose. Haven't heard from any religious representative thus far though have you?

To the ministers on this site, what will you say to your flock? Anything?
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Preaching March 1st, and plan to make mention of it.
 
Waterfall said:
What's the gist of what you will be saying Jae?
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Well, I'll be preaching from Ephesians 6, on the subject of the armor of God. One of the things I'll touch on is how to respond when slandered. I'm feeling that I'll mention this issue as a potential cause of Christians being slandered, as many will choose to speak out against the ruling, and the legislation stemming from it which will soon be coming.
 
Carolla said:
Kimmio - I'm not going to reply - because I don't think I have anything to add that has not been said repeatedly in the previous 1400 posts on this thread.

I repeat that I do not hold the opinion that the lives of people with disabilities are worth any less than my own or others.
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Identity is a concept of our age that should be used very carefully. All types of identities, ethnic, national, religious, sexual or whatever else, can become your prison after a while. The identity that you stand up for can enslave you and close you to the rest of the world. - Murathan Mungan
 
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