Euthanasia in Canada, Supreme Court Ruled this Morning

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Can one debate with authority or is that monotheistic Allah one sided solipsism or as the po' soul's lips flap in arid winds?

Chit hits two ways ... action and reaction ... natural ... an absorbed function is considered un-natural response ... quite devious to those eliminating the metaphysical crap of thoughts laid out in the darker form!
 
unsafe said:
The Question is ---Can a Doctor be a Healer and a Killer in the same breath ?

Medical oaths and declarations---http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1121898/

A declaration marks an explicit commitment to ethical behaviour

Declaration of a new doctor

Now, as a new doctor, I solemnly promise that I will to the best of my ability serve humanity—caring for the sick, promoting good health, and alleviating pain and suffering.

I recognise that the practice of medicine is a privilege with which comes considerable responsibility and I will not abuse my position.

I will practise medicine with integrity, humility, honesty, and compassion—working with my fellow doctors and other colleagues to meet the needs of my patients.

I shall never intentionally do or administer anything to the overall harm of my patients.

I will not permit considerations of gender, race, religion, political affiliation, sexual orientation, nationality, or social standing to influence my duty of care.

I will oppose policies in breach of human rights and will not participate in them. I will strive to change laws that are contrary to my profession's ethics and will work towards a fairer distribution of health resources.

I will assist my patients to make informed decisions that coincide with their own values and beliefs and will uphold patient confidentiality.

I will recognise the limits of my knowledge and seek to maintain and increase my understanding and skills throughout my professional life. I will acknowledge and try to remedy my own mistakes and honestly assess and respond to those of others.

I will seek to promote the advancement of medical knowledge through teaching and research.

I make this declaration solemnly, freely, and upon my honour.
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unsafe - what's your definition of "overall harm"?
 
Another question is ---We are here to serve God not ourselves ---and God Provides a way out of all situations according to His word ----He never gives more than we can handle -----God also says He is a healer -----A Doctor is a human being and also will die one day to be judged as will the person be who is wanting to die and gets the Dr to help them -----no consideration is given to the after death happenings -----and could the Dr suffer torment in his own mind for helping ?? ----If you read Jonah 4 ---He ask God to kill him ---God comforted him ---talked to him and provided for him ----So is there a chance that God could help the person regain Hope in a Hopeless situation ?
 
I shall never intentionally do or administer anything to the overall harm of my patients.

With the exception of something for the greater good (Utilitarian) ... and that greater person is I? Now is the subjective "I" differing than the objective "I" if the topological (ova-head) matter can't be read into great depth?

Thus the soli-fixation of knowledge of I .... so one doesn't have any knowledge of the other self ... a deviation from Herman's Unity Principle that is just too celestial to the celebratory ... unified theory of relativity that Einstein called relative ... the ancients used the word alchemii ... where double I'z are silent as mutes ewe ... and Ur should be silent and broad as de Mire ... mere?

Mother of God in a pool of old salts (Black Hoers in the final quarter?) and as Blake said down to the "c" they go to be enlightened about a drenching ... or sharpening up as a whetting of spirits into an ironic edge ... Mac the Knife as in Occam's Theory of simple dissection or dis emanating the wee folk as quickly as possible in a reasonable blast ...

The general population wouldn't understand .. and thus theis tory ...
 
A mon was a singular soul in and old imagination (Egybing) who is reputed to state to do no harm and thus the real world was created for mortals to take out their viciousness ... a comedy of errs when seen topographically from beyond ... thus you will not be able to see, or understand me ...
 
unsafe said:
Hi Pr.Jae

What does overall harm have to do with what I posted ?-----
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Maybe he's asking if not performing euthanasia does more overall harm to a suffering person than performing it. (not doing overall harm is part of doctors' hypocritical oathe you posted)

(or there's overall harm that I've been trying to point out? Never mind)
 
Luce NDs said:
A mon was a singular soul in and old imagination (Egybing) who is reputed to state to do no harm and thus the real world was created for mortals to take out their viciousness ... a comedy of errs when seen topographically from beyond ... thus you will not be able to see, or understand me ...
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I see it. Then, subjectively...So hard to struggle against unequal oh press/ sieve powers without passionate words, tho.
 
unsafe said:
Hi Pr.Jae

What does overall harm have to do with what I posted ?-----
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Well, the words were in there. He was asking for your definition of them.

I keep on going back to Dr. Low's case as one in which CLEARLY a managed death would have been profoundly easier on him, profoundly less frightening for both him and his family. So, a doctor who assisted an earlier, easier death would have been responsible for less overall harm than (largely) letting nature take it's course.
 
unsafe said:
The Question is ---Can a Doctor be a Healer and a Killer in the same breath ?

Medical oaths and declarations---http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1121898/

A declaration marks an explicit commitment to ethical behaviour

Declaration of a new doctor

Now, as a new doctor, I solemnly promise that I will to the best of my ability serve humanity—caring for the sick, promoting good health, and alleviating pain and suffering.

I recognise that the practice of medicine is a privilege with which comes considerable responsibility and I will not abuse my position.

I will practise medicine with integrity, humility, honesty, and compassion—working with my fellow doctors and other colleagues to meet the needs of my patients.

I shall never intentionally do or administer anything to the overall harm of my patients.

I will not permit considerations of gender, race, religion, political affiliation, sexual orientation, nationality, or social standing to influence my duty of care.

I will oppose policies in breach of human rights and will not participate in them. I will strive to change laws that are contrary to my profession's ethics and will work towards a fairer distribution of health resources.

I will assist my patients to make informed decisions that coincide with their own values and beliefs and will uphold patient confidentiality.

I will recognise the limits of my knowledge and seek to maintain and increase my understanding and skills throughout my professional life. I will acknowledge and try to remedy my own mistakes and honestly assess and respond to those of others.

I will seek to promote the advancement of medical knowledge through teaching and research.

I make this declaration solemnly, freely, and upon my honour.
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unsafe - what's your definition of "overall harm
unsafe said:
Hi Pr.Jae

What does overall harm have to do with what I posted ?-----
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unsafe - you included "overall harm" in the section that bolded.
 
Kimmio said:
Maybe he's asking if not performing euthanasia does more overall harm to a suffering person than performing it. (not doing overall harm is part of doctors' hypocritical oathe you posted)

(or there's overall harm that I've been trying to point out? Never mind)
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Haha! Autocorrect...that was supposed to be hypocratic oathe!
 
Kimmio - to repeat a very early post in this thread - this unanimous ruling by the Supreme Court is NOT about euthanasia.

To me, this is an issue that will forever have a diversity of views, some with great polarity. We all have multiple lenses through which we view the world - which doesn't make one right and another necessarily wrong. They're just different. While dialogue is what some desire, to thoughtfully engage and ponder, others are fixed in their views & no amount of dialogue will likely be helpful in shifting their views. For me, it raises a question of my own openness to permitting others their own opinions - as I try to respect others, I hope I will likewise be afforded the same respect.
 
Carolla said:
Kimmio - to repeat a very early post in this thread - this unanimous ruling by the Supreme Court is NOT about euthanasia.

To me, this is an issue that will forever have a diversity of views, some with great polarity. We all have multiple lenses through which we view the world - which doesn't make one right and another necessarily wrong. They're just different. While dialogue is what some desire, to thoughtfully engage and ponder, others are fixed in their views & no amount of dialogue will likely be helpful in shifting their views. For me, it raises a question of my own openness to permitting others their own opinions - as I try to respect others, I hope I will likewise be afforded the same respect.
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Inequality is something I find hard to budge on - and so hurts when I feel the very things I am pointing out through very sound means - academic articles from the very movement about equality - without getting emotional and I get shot down by appeal to the same inequality that I have been trying to point out...or something like that. That's emotional.
 
We can't legislate what people do with their bodies; people who really wanted to have ended their lives prematurely for ages. But to oblige doctors to end life goes against the Hippocratic Oath, doesn't it? Maybe there should be a special profession of "White Angels" who help us to exit life, similar to and the opposite of the profession Midwives who help us enter?

For me, personally, this is not a problem. I am confident that I can meditate myself over the threshold of death when I choose to. As far as helping friends or relatives to exit, I would do it with a clear conscience if I thought it was the right thing to do.
 
I personally think it's good to have options. But it does raise some practical questions for me such as:
Will my insurance policy still be honoured or will there be an added addendum because I CHOSE death?

Also I have seen many people with Alzheimer's who no longer benefit from visits with their families because they will say things like, "that's not my mother" "My mother died a long time ago" "She would never have wanted to live this way" I have heard this for other progressive diseases too. There becomes a new reality for those who are afflicted, yet I have witnessed many of these people obviously fighting to stay alive in circumstances that I think I wouldn't if I were in their shoes. Some of these people may have chosen death prior to a more serious development.

It's really really a tough call and I think there might be the possibility of family consultations with care givers and doctors to encourage euthanasia because it's too hard to wait for death to come and the beds are needed....we already have a shortage.

Just some thoughts.
 
Hi PrJae

I see what you are saying in the post -----Sorry for the misunderstanding -----I really can't answer that question for the oath they take --as I am not a Dr but I would think in my own view that helping one commit suicide would qualify in my own view ----


Euthanasia is defined as this ----the painless killing --so the Dr is Killing the patient ----with the consent of the person ---


eu·tha·na·sia
ˌyo͞oTHəˈnāZH(ē)ə,ˌyo͞oTHəˈnāzēə/

noun
the painless killing of a patient suffering from an incurable and painful disease or in an irreversible coma. The practice is illegal in most countries.
synonyms: mercy killing, assisted suicide; rare
quietus



Origin
early 17th century (in the sense ‘easy death’): from Greek, from eu ‘well’ + thanatos ‘death.’


If you look up Thanatos


2288. thanatos ►
Strong's Concordance
thanatos: death
Original Word:
θάνατος, ου, ὁ

Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: thanatos
Phonetic Spelling: (than'-at-os)
Short Definition: death
Definition: death, physical or spiritual.

HELPS Word-studies
2288 th
ánatos (derived from 2348 /thnḗskō, "to die") – physical or spiritual death; (figuratively) separation from the life (salvation) of God forever by dying without first experiencing death to self to receive His gift of salvation.

You can come to your own conclusion as to what you think ----W e all think different ----
 
What I would like to see in this discussion is more talk about the checks and boundaries needed to provide a full scope for application because there is definitely a chance this could be abused. What does everyone think should be considered?
 
I don't respect the forces that keep people with disabilities for the most part unequal and unheard. If it were a recent phenomenon one could grant a bit more leeway but people with disabilities have always been oppressed and expendable and there's been a brave movement over the last forty years to overcome that - and an a ademivc discipline now to support it - and I have been trying to bring it to people's attention. It's not a matter of opinion that people with disabilities are dis-abled more by disadvantage and attitudes. And that leaves them more vulnerable to life and death policy decisions.
 
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