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Is that a riddle or a flat-earther theory?
(Because the ancients in the region didn’t yet understand astronomy, and they made up an origin story that shouldn’t be taken as a literal event.)
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I don't take Genesis (or any Creation myth) literally. Creation myths are more about how people see the world and their place in it than nuts and bolts how to. Even the Big Bang has kind of moved into that category now that Cosmic Inflation is replacing it as the scientific model for cosmological creation.
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this is how
Day 1
1 In the beginning God (prepared, formed, fashioned, and) created the heavens and the earth.
2 ;The earth was without form and an empty waste, and darkness was upon the face of the very great deep. The Spirit of God was moving (hovering, brooding) over the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light; and there was light.
4 ;And God saw that the light was good (suitable, pleasant) and He approved it; and God separated the light from the darkness.
5 ;And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.
Day 2
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament [the expanse of the sky] in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters [below] from the waters [above].
7 ;And God made the firmament [the expanse] and separated the waters which were under the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse. And it was so.
8 ;And God called the firmament Heavens. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.
Day 3
9 ;And God said, Let the waters under the heavens be collected into one place [of standing], and let the dry land appear. And it was so.
10 ;God called the dry land Earth, and the accumulated waters He called Seas. And God saw that this was good (fitting, admirable) and He approved it.
11 ;And God said, Let the earth put forth [tender] vegetation: plants yielding seed and fruit trees yielding fruit whose seed is in itself, each according to its kind, upon the earth. And it was so.
12 ;The earth brought forth vegetation: plants yielding seed according to their own kinds and trees bearing fruit in which was their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good (suitable, admirable) and He approved it.
13 ;And there was evening and there was morning, a third day.
Day 4
14 ;And God said, Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be signs and tokens [of God’s provident care], and [to mark] seasons, days, and years,
15 And let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light upon the earth. And it was so.
16 And God made the two great lights—the greater light (the sun) to rule the day and the lesser light (the moon) to rule the night. He also made the stars.
17 And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth,
18 To rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good (fitting, pleasant) and He approved it.
19 And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.
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I say -------and when the New Earth comes ----the sun --moon ---etc will not be needed as God shining Glory will provide the light ---so the sun will disappear apparently ------
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Some of these responses can daze the best of them ... myself ... I see it differently! It is my personal experience with everything (that is god) ... an integration where all things are gathered ... nothing left out as remains ... albeit my s pine is starting to suffer folly ...
Don't tell anyone ... bury it in your mental facility ... I'm told it is a dark mysterious system ...
I agree but that does not account for the misuse of the translation using day to denote a passage of time, when age was more appropriate.
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I think understanding the Hebrew word for day is needed here ------so I disagree that the word day is misused here -----that is why it is so important to look up the word used in the Scripture to get the right understanding of it ------
Lexical Summary
yom: day, days, today ,space, (process of) time
in General sense = the time of (forcible and pregnantly, representing the act vividly as that of a single day)
Topical Lexicon
Semantic Range
The Hebrew noun יוֹם (yôm) designates a period of daylight, a full rotation of the earth (evening and morning), the span of an event, or an appointed time.
Creation and the Foundations of Time
From its first appearance, yôm frames God’s creative activity. “God called the light ‘day’” (Genesis 1:5)
Genesis 2:4 shows the term’s breadth: “in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens” employs yôm to summarize the whole creative week. Thus the word can signal both a single calendar day and a collective span, without contradiction but according to literary purpose.
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this is the Greek word for Day
Lexical Summary
hémera: Day
1. day
2. (literally) the time space between dawn and dark, or the whole 24 hours
3. (figuratively) a period
{(literal) but several days were usually reckoned by the Jews as inclusive of the parts of both extremes; (figurative) always defined more or less clearly by the context}
Lexical Summary
hémera: Day
1. day
2. (literally) the time space between dawn and dark, or the whole 24 hours
3. (figuratively) a period
{(literal) but several days were usually reckoned by the Jews as inclusive of the parts of both extremes; (figurative) always defined more or less clearly by the context}
Pavlos Maros
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You are the one posing as a spiritual authority, yet you are falling back on basic Sunday School riddles to distract the group. It is quite telling that you have started a fresh thread to ponder the mechanics of the fourth day instead of addressing the fact that you were caught cherry-picking my words and misrepresenting your own bibles text in the two previous discussions.
Rather than trying to look profound with trivia, you should go back and actually read your Bible properly. It appears you are the person who has not done their homework. Starting a new topic every time you are cornered does not make you a teacher; it just makes you an evasive and dishonest interlocutor. If you cannot answer for your own contradictions, no amount of talk about the sun and the stars will save your credibility.
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the Hebrew word for age is this ---and age would definitely not be appropriate here in Genesis 1-----
Lexical Summary
Lexical Summary
aiōn: Age, world, eternity
(properly) lead, i.e. come on
Topical Lexicon
Overview
Ἄγε is a vivid, second-person imperative that functions as a summons: “Come!”, “Come on!”, “Let us go!” While not occurring in the canonical Greek New Testament text, it is well attested in the Septuagint and other Hellenistic literature. Whenever it appears, ἄγε signals movement—physical, moral, or spiritual—and often frames decisive moments of divine or human initiative.
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You can also view these stories as ancient myth and metaphor and dig deeper for a deeper more nuanced meaning. Besides the two distinct accounts in Genesis 1-3, there are creation accounts in Proverbs, Psalms, and Isaiah.
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You can------ BUT you Can't use AGE-------age is not the right word for this scripture as you thought it should be -----
So you need to be careful in your own interpretation of what you think should be in the scripture ------you need to look up the words in the right Language --to know how they are used in Scripture -----
it is dangerous for us to just put our own spin on scripture ----
True Christians are to Rightly Divide the Word ------Not Wrongly divide it ------2 nd Timothy 2:15
Few tyrants can admit that "we do not know" and why not?
Blame it on the tree-forming epistemological wipe-out ... someone loved it to death! Mortal ...
You don't need to hug it but some respect is necessary when it provides cover in the heat ... that can bring on the stroke as sun-dance! The entire scene shimmers ... that's heat an unseen item ... happens in the kitchen ... once known as the caldron ... where stuff is cooked!
Then there is the matter of light fuzz ... sometimes approaching the nature of phantom-like photons ... a ghost ova chance?
Cotton up to 'it as a tree frog ... chirp about the collapse of an empire that the losing leader is scuttling ... thus submariners as hypo ... theological disturbance ... immersion? Thus life comes and goes ... for the rinsing ... law ryn's in an arid state ... dry humus? Sometimes resembles a mean dish in Celtic kitchens ... near caldron is the gruel seer 'n ...
Myth? Of course the virtue is improbable amongst the gods ... thus Mariah ... a very dark and deep representation of something other than how it appears ... innocent! Stumbling block ... contributes to the Epstein retainer ... bound for trouble, bother, worry, care if you drive and drive Ur down ... that's Anis ...
Stack of word feeding the capitalistic deterrents? That swagging tale ... staggering under the lingering effect ... efficacious? Just you wait a bit ... see what goes down ... dippy eh!
Cotton up to 'it as a tree frog ... chirp about the collapse of an empire that the losing leader is scuttling ... thus submariners as hypo ... theological disturbance ... immersion? Thus life comes and goes ... for the rinsing ... law ryn's in an arid state ... dry humus? Sometimes resembles a mean dish in Celtic kitchens ... near caldron is the gruel seer 'n ...
Myth? Of course the virtue is improbable amongst the gods ... thus Mariah ... a very dark and deep representation of something other than how it appears ... innocent! Stumbling block ... contributes to the Epstein retainer ... bound for trouble, bother, worry, care if you drive and drive Ur down ... that's Anis ...
Stack of word feeding the capitalistic deterrents? That swagging tale ... staggering under the lingering effect ... efficacious? Just you wait a bit ... see what goes down ... dippy eh!
Is not an age a period of time?
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not according to what the Hebrew word for age is ---as I posted -----so age in Genesis is not relevant to the Scripture -----and it does not mean time in Hebrew which is the language of the Old Testament -----Day can mean time in Genesis 1 -----
Hebrew word for AGE
Lexical Summary
aiōn: Age, world, eternity
(properly) lead, i.e. come on
Topical Lexicon
Overview
Ἄγε is a vivid, second-person imperative that functions as a summons: “Come!”, “Come on!”, “Let us go!” While not occurring in the canonical Greek New Testament text, it is well attested in the Septuagint and other Hellenistic literature. Whenever it appears, ἄγε signals movement—physical, moral, or spiritual—and often frames decisive moments of divine or human initiative.
I say -------Our Definition in our English Language Dictionary can mean TIME ----but not in Genesis 1 that you took your Scripture from
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noun
the length of time that a person has lived
The word YOM can mean either a "day" or a period of time. Considering the sun was not yet created until the fourth 'day', it is highly illogical to consider todays concept of a 24 hr period. It was more likely written as a literary function to denote time which did not yet exist other than as a phase of creation.
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You have no idea what God is saying in Genesis my friend ------
The earth was dark -----God Created the Light -----God separated the Darkness and Created the Light ----in Genesis 3 ----and called the Light DAY ------
the light was already created before the sun -----the sun and moon just separate the Day from Night -----
You need to ask the Holy Spirit to help you in your understanding here ------cause your not getting it -----
read the Scripture in Context ----instead of focusing one one Verse -----
3 ;And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.
5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
verse 14 ----
14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years,
15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so
16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night.
I say ---the light was created Day 1 ----
Now He is making the Sun to bring the light that He made on day one to give light on the earth -----and the Moon to bring light in the dark ------
It is not rocket science their timothyu--------you need to read Scripture in Context ----
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