Contentedness & Faith

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I take "sending" metaphorically.

I don't think the creative power of the universe intentionally bestows happiness on some people and unhappiness on others. But opposites necessitate each other, and this is a cosmic principle. So, where there is happiness, there must also be unhappiness.

But then one might also say that content necessitates discontent, or acceptance necessitates nonacceptance. Well, I'm fine with that, too. The interplay between opposites is God's Cosmic Game, and I willingly play along with it. That's what the prayer means to me.:)
 
Just to contribute this to the discussion:
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Proverbs 30:7-9 New International Version (NIV)
7 “Two things I ask of you, Lord;
do not refuse me before I die:
8 Keep falsehood and lies far from me;
give me neither poverty nor riches,
but give me only my daily bread.A)">
9 Otherwise, I may have too much and disownB)"> you
and say, ‘Who is the Lord?’C)">
Or I may become poor and steal,
and so dishonor the name of my God.D)">
.....
For me this is an important aspect of contentment from a biblical point of view.
Thoughts please???
Regards
Rita
 
Well, just at a quick glance, RitaG, I'm not sure about the "neither poverty nor riches", but "only daily bread" - "otherwise I may have too much and disown you". I understand the temptation to rely on our possessions and riches at times, but I think we all know of people who we consider materially and financially rich who haver never disowned God or forgotten God or have not trusted in God. But I understand the overall concept of the verses.
 
Beloved asks for quotes...

and we (and I) oblige

"Neurosis is the inability to tolerate ambiguity." --Sigmund Freud

“To go out of your mind once a day is tremendously important, because by going out of your mind you come to your senses. And if you stay in your mind all of the time, you are over rational, in other words you are like a very rigid bridge which because it has no give; no craziness in it, is going to be blown down by the first hurricane.”

--alan watts

"A cluster of composite, endlessly altering circumstances and functions which we address as 'I'.-- the character Herman Mussert, in Cees Noooteboom's "The Following Story"

"We absolutely must leave room for doubt or there is no progress and no learning. There is no learning without having to pose a question. And a question requires doubt. People search for certainty. But there is no certainty. People are terrified — how can you live and not know? It is not odd at all. You only think you know, as a matter of fact. And most of your actions are based on incomplete knowledge and you really don't know what it is all about, or what the purpose of the world is, or know a great deal of other things. It is possible to live and not know."
--richard feynman

"You and your friends can do anything that the great religions and empires and racial groups have done in the name of their Gods. You can choose your Gods to be smart, compassionate, cute and goofy. Begin by creating a cult comprised of your family and friends. Then develop a personal mythology and write your own New Testament."
--timothy leary

"Man is at his most complete when his imagination is at its most intense. Imagination is the power of prehension; without it, man would be an imbecile, without memory, without forethought, without power of interpreting what he sees and feels. The higher the form of life, the greater its power of prehension; and in man, prehension becomes a conscious faculty, which can be labelled imagination. If life is to advance yet a stage higher, beyond the ape, beyond man the toilet or even man the artist, it will be through a further development of the power of prehension. This craving for greater intensity of imagination is the religious appetite."

-- Colin Wilson riffing on William James in "Religion and the Rebel"

"In the end, we are self-perceiving, self-inventing, locked-in mirages that are little miracles of self-reference."
--Douglas Hofstadter

“Treat everyone you meet like God in drag.”

~Ram Dass


The Way is gained by daily loss,

loss upon loss until

at last comes rest.

By letting go, it all gets done;
the world is won by those who let it go!
--lao tzu


"i think of the mind as an endless committee meeting with barely-relating employees sitting around a table, each with their own concerns. one of them is screaming "we're all gonna DIE!" at random intervals, some of whom are desperately trying to get us laid

religion takes that "gonna DIE!" fellow off in a corner and keeps him busy so the rest of us can get on with the more important thing. where it goes bad is when religion starts to gather more and more of the other employees into its corner, taking them out of the game. once the guy trying to get laid gets waylaid by Thou Shalt Not, its Game Over.

Oh, and occasionally we get some science done. if it helps us to get laid"
--RandomFactor

"is the purpose of babies just to make universes?"
--emlong

"what is a human being then?
'a seed'
a seed?
'an acorn that is unafraid to destroy itself in growing into a tree"

"The Broken God" by david zindell

There is no restraint that cannot be escaped. We are all absolutely free. If everybody could go into dhyana at will, nobody could be controlled — by fear of prison, by fear of whips or electroshock, by fear of death, even. All existing society is based on keeping those fears alive, to control the masses. Ten people who know would be more dangerous than a million armed anarchists.
--RAW


"So many giants and demons and always room for more in poor Tom's head. Your head's like mine, like all our heads; big enough to contain every god and devil there ever was. Big enough to hold the weight of oceans and the turning stars. Whole universes fit in there!
But what do we choose to keep in this miraculous cabinet? Little broken things, sad trinkets that we play over and over. The world turns our key and we play the same little tune again and again and we think that tune's all we are."

--Tom O'Bedlam


"Today we are experiencing something that looks very much like the death of modern man, indeed that looks very much like the death of Western man. Perhaps the end of "man" himself is at hand. But man is not a goal. Man is something that must be overcome..."

--richard tarnas


"we know that we cannot assume...that the features of a system which we observe in a measurement exists prior to the measurement...what we perceive as reality now depends on our earlier decision...we are not just passive observers... "
--Anton Zelinger distilling the Kochen-Specker theorem


"We cannot, however, manage to make do with such old, familiar, and seemingly indispensable terms as 'real' or 'only possible'; we are never in a position to say what really is or what really happens, but we can only say what will be observed in any concrete individual case. Will we have to be permanently satisfied with this...? On principle, yes. On principle, there is nothing new in the postulate that in the end exact science should aim at nothing more than the description of what can really be observed. The question is only whether from now on we shall have to refrain from tying description to a clear hypothesis about the real nature of the world. There are many who wish to pronounce such abdication even today. I believe that this means making things a little too easy for oneself."

--Erwin Rudolf Josef Alexander Schrodinger


"the pluriality that we perceive is only an appearance; it is not real...the sum total of all minds is one..."
--Erwin Rudolf Josef Alexander Schrodinger

the city is the most environmentally benign form of human settlement. each city dweller consumes less land, less energy, less water, and produces less pollution than his counterpart in settlements of lower densities

-- peter calthorpe


nuclear energy is green. renewables are not green

-- jesse ausubel


"...the world's worst nuclear power plant disaster is not as destructive to wildlife populations as are normal human activities."
-- robert baker, one of two biologists who did a 15 year study on radiation effects in animals in chernobyl


"There is no such thing as not worshipping. Everybody worships. The only choice we get is what to worship. And the compelling reason for maybe choosing some sort of god or spiritual-type thing to worship — be it JC or Allah, bet it YHWH or the Wiccan Mother Goddess, or the Four Noble Truths, or some inviolable set of ethical principles — is that pretty much anything else you worship will eat you alive. If you worship money and things, if they are where you tap real meaning in life, then you will never have enough, never feel you have enough. It’s the truth. Worship your body and beauty and sexual allure and you will always feel ugly. And when time and age start showing, you will die a million deaths before they finally grieve you.[...]
Worship power, you will end up feeling weak and afraid, and you will need ever more power over others to numb you to your own fear. Worship your intellect, being seen as smart, you will end up feeling stupid, a fraud, always on the verge of being found out. But the insidious thing about these forms of worship is not that they’re evil or sinful, it’s that they’re unconscious. They are default settings."

--david foster wallace, 'this is water'





"Everyone you meet is fighting a battle you know nothing about. be kind"
--found on FB

 
Thank you, Inna, for all these gems!

The only certainty is uncertainty, eh? Well, at least that much is certain! But, hold it, if uncertainty is all there is, then even uncertainty is uncertain. And uncertain uncertainty is certainty. Most certainly!;)
 
One more quote:

"Imagination is more important than intelligence."

-Albert Einstein

If you define intelligence as simply being about memory and reasoning power, this may have some validity. I, personally, would be tempted to include imagination in a definition of intelligence given that almost every "smart" person in history (Newton, Einstein, etc.) appears to have possessed it in spades.
 
Yes, Mendalla, I agree. Einstein probably would, too.

Creative thinking, thinking up new ideas requires imagination. If intelligence were defined only as memory combined with reasoning powers, then supercomputers would be more intelligent than people.
 
Yes, Mendalla, I agree. Einstein probably would, too.

Creative thinking, thinking up new ideas requires imagination. If intelligence were defined only as memory combined with reasoning powers, then supercomputers would be more intelligent than people.

Not quite, actually. Supercomputers still can't perform feats of intuitive reasoning (e.g. coming up with "rules of thumb") the way we can. For straight logical or mathematical reasoning, they are faster but not necessarily "better". IOW, they do certain things better than us but still are not quite there in others besides imagination.
 
Not quite, actually. Supercomputers still can't perform feats of intuitive reasoning (e.g. coming up with "rules of thumb") the way we can. For straight logical or mathematical reasoning, they are faster but not necessarily "better". IOW, they do certain things better than us but still are not quite there in others besides imagination.

And probably also there in reading body language :ROFLMAO:.
 
One thing I have learned over the last few days . . . I seem to be most content when I am puttering in my flower garden ;)
I am content to putter too - at creative things. I am most content when there is not time pressure- when I don't even need to look at a clock.

(incidentally, Inanna's Cascadia thread was a wee bit like gardening, too- digging, pulling up things, planting ideas/ seeds).
 
A Holy Pentad by Freeman Dyson, father, provider, theoretical physicist, mathematician, war-criminal (bombing of Dresden), iconoclast, heretic, non-denominational christian, one of us fellow domesticated primates whose findings have become a part of the global human endeavour


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"Science and religion are two human enterprises sharing many features. They share these features also with other enterprises such as art, literature and music. The most salient features of all these enterprises are discipline and diversity. Discipline to submerge the individual fantasy in a greater whole. Diversity to give scope to the infinite variety of human souls and temperaments. Without discipline there can be no greatness. Without diversity there can be no freedom. Greatness for the enterprise, freedom for the individual—these are the two themes, contrasting but not incompatible, that make up the history of science and the history of religion."

--Freeman Dyson

"There is no easy solution to the conflict between fundamentalist Christian dogma and the facts of biological evolution. I am not saying that the conflict could have been altogether avoided. I am saying only that the conflict was made more bitter and more damaging, both to religion and to science, by the dogmatic and self-righteousness of scientists. What was needed was a little more human charity, a little more willingness to listen rather than to lay down the law, a little more humility. Scientists stand in need of these Christian virtues just as much as preachers do."

--Freeman Dyson

"I am neither a saint nor a theologian. To me, good works are more important than theology. We all know that religion has been historically, and still is today, a cause of great evil as well as great good in human affairs. We have seen terrible wars and terrible persecutions conducted in the name of religion. We have also seen large numbers of people inspired by religion to lives of heroic virtue, bringing education and medical care to the poor, helping to abolish slavery and spread peace among nations. Religion amplifies the good and evil tendencies of individual souls."
--Freeman Dyson

"My personal theology is described in the Gifford lectures that I gave at Aberdeen in Scotland in 1985, published under the title, Infinite In All Directions. Here is a brief summary of my thinking. The universe shows evidence of the operations of mind on three levels. The first level is elementary physical processes, as we see them when we study atoms in the laboratory. The second level is our direct human experience of our own consciousness. The third level is the universe as a whole. Atoms in the laboratory are weird stuff, behaving like active agents rather than inert substances. They make unpredictable choices between alternative possibilities according to the laws of quantum mechanics. It appears that mind, as manifested by the capacity to make choices, is to some extent inherent in every atom. The universe as a whole is also weird, with laws of nature that make it hospitable to the growth of mind. I do not make any clear distinction between mind and God. God is what mind becomes when it has passed beyond the scale of our comprehension. God may be either a world-soul or a collection of world-souls. So I am thinking that atoms and humans and God may have minds that differ in degree but not in kind. We stand, in a manner of speaking, midway between the unpredictability of atoms and the unpredictability of God. Atoms are small pieces of our mental apparatus, and we are small pieces of God's mental apparatus. Our minds may receive inputs equally from atoms and from God. This view of our place in the cosmos may not be true, but it is compatible with the active nature of atoms as revealed in the experiments of modern physics. I don't say that this personal theology is supported or proved by scientific evidence. I only say that it is consistent with scientific evidence."
--Freeman Dyson

"All through our history, we have been changing the world with our technology. Our technology has been of two kinds, green and grey. Green technology is seeds and plants, gardens and vineyards and orchards, domesticated horses and cows and pigs, milk and cheese, leather and wool. Grey technology is bronze and steel, spears and guns, coal and oil and electricity, automobiles and airplanes and rockets, telephones and computers. Civilization began with green technology, with agriculture and animal-breeding, ten thousand years ago. Then, beginning about three thousand years ago, grey technology became dominant, with mining and metallurgy and machinery. For the last five hundred years, grey technology has been racing ahead and has given birth to the modern world of cities and factories and supermarkets...

The dominance of grey technology is now coming to an end.Our grey technology of machines and computers will not disappear, but green technology will be moving ahead even faster. Green technology can be cleaner, more flexible and less wasteful, than our existing chemical industries. A great variety of manufactured objects could be grown instead of made. Green technology could supply human needs with far less damage to the natural environment. And green technology could be a great equalizer, bringing wealth to the tropical areas of the world which have most of the sunshine, most of the human population, and most of the poverty. I am saying that green technology could do all these good things, bringing wealth to the tropics, bringing economic opportunity to the villages, narrowing the gap between rich and poor. I am not saying that green technology will do all these good things. "Could" is not the same as "will". To make these good things happen, we need not only the new technology but the political and economic conditions that will give people all over the world a chance to use it. To make these things happen, we need a powerful push from ethics. We need a consensus of public opinion around the world that the existing gross inequalities in the distribution of wealth are intolerable. In reaching such a consensus, religions must play an essential role. Neither technology alone nor religion alone is powerful enough to bring social justice to human societies, but technology and religion working together might do the job."

--Freeman Dyson
 
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"We all are meant to shine, as children do. We are born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people the permission to do the same. As we liberate our own fears, our presence automatically liberates others."

-Marianne Williamson
 
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