Christianity and other religions
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unsafe
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Redbaron -----No it is not a human interpenetration ---it is Bible scripture ----you didn't read the Bible long enough or thoroughly enough -----or Oh wait ----maybe you just didn't get an understanding what you were reading ----
Dead faith --non producing -----Demonic Faith and ----God's Faith that produces -----all in scripture
The Bible runs on God's Faith -----it produces ----God spoke faith words and he created this earth and all in it ------God's word is seed ---seed produces if it is planted in good soil ----Parable of the sower ----
Dead faith --non producing -----Demonic Faith and ----God's Faith that produces -----all in scripture
The Bible runs on God's Faith -----it produces ----God spoke faith words and he created this earth and all in it ------God's word is seed ---seed produces if it is planted in good soil ----Parable of the sower ----
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Just remembering how this thread started. Each of us is in a different place and that place changes over time and circumstances. I sense a bit of growing frustration and anger on this thread. I suspect I was experiencing a bit of that myself and feel sad that my emotions got a bit in the way.
Some people are in situations where they need to hang on to what they believe and others are in situations where they want to broaden or deepen their faith or spirituality.
I like looking at what other religions have to offer as they help me refine what I believe as a follower of Jesus and clarify why and what I believe.
I have forgotten exactly what the first post was, but I believe it was about how each religion has something to offer to those who follow it.
My invitation is for us to identify what our beliefs offer to us.
Some people are in situations where they need to hang on to what they believe and others are in situations where they want to broaden or deepen their faith or spirituality.
I like looking at what other religions have to offer as they help me refine what I believe as a follower of Jesus and clarify why and what I believe.
I have forgotten exactly what the first post was, but I believe it was about how each religion has something to offer to those who follow it.
My invitation is for us to identify what our beliefs offer to us.
There are subjective and objective interpretations ... some people cannot see the objective one because it comes from out there ... for the overly subjective that can't get beyond themselves!
Indicative of how the two views in interpretation can cause bifurcation and certain conflict of the collective psyche ... and thus it becomes dissociative ...
That's close to divine ... right and left ... or what's gone and what remains! Often indicative of thought ... some have passed as denied and wasted!
And some demand all thought be damned as they don't like it ... they'll do just as they will ...
Indicative of how the two views in interpretation can cause bifurcation and certain conflict of the collective psyche ... and thus it becomes dissociative ...
That's close to divine ... right and left ... or what's gone and what remains! Often indicative of thought ... some have passed as denied and wasted!
And some demand all thought be damned as they don't like it ... they'll do just as they will ...
You suspect some spinning and stirring in this containment ... entanglement ensues ...
Genes are like that ...
BetteTheRed
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I don't have any real beliefs, at all, except in logic, science, a certain predictability around human behaviour.
The community that I have found is what Christianity offers to me. I'm sure another faith would do exactly the same thing, but I'm culturally Christian, and a long-time avid reader of literature in English, which is largely anchored around Christian metaphors, at least historically.
I really don't think it matters your religion. It's got everything to do with whether that faith/beliefs/values causes you to evolve/devolve in terms of kindness.
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unsafe
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Redbaron -----Human intellectual Faith is grafted into all God's creation by God from birth --- --- this faith is what science is built on -----you believe in what you see --feel ---hear --taste and touch ---you see a chair --you believe it actually exists and you can sit in it ----you believe by reason ----you see a Doctor you believe that the Dr is there and you trust the Dr to look after your health needs ----you believe a rocket ship can lift off and go into space ---etc -----
this faith in scripture is called dead faith ----as everything that you believe in and trust in is physically tangible so there is no need for this faith to produce anything ==this Faith cannot Liberate you from your sinful nature -----
Jesus said to the Pharisees -----your are white washed on the outside but dirty on the inside ---their faith was dead faith as far as changing the unseen which was their corrupt spiritual nature ----they could talk the talk but not walk the walk ---
this faith in scripture is called dead faith ----as everything that you believe in and trust in is physically tangible so there is no need for this faith to produce anything ==this Faith cannot Liberate you from your sinful nature -----
Jesus said to the Pharisees -----your are white washed on the outside but dirty on the inside ---their faith was dead faith as far as changing the unseen which was their corrupt spiritual nature ----they could talk the talk but not walk the walk ---
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I agree with this, wholeheartedly. If your religious experience opens your heart and expands your mind, if it somehow showcases the oneness of the human family, it serves its mission well. If your religious experience simply leads you to draw lines in the sand, and try to separate 'we' and 'they.' maybe you should re-examine it.
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unsafe, how do YOU think you're doing in the kindness department?
unsafe
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BetteTheRed -----you said ----how do YOU think you're doing in the kindness department?
Well this statement goes right back at you -------How do you think your doing in that department ---calling what Jesus did for you Torture Porn ---and then claiming to be a Christian ----how kind and nice is that -----all the while mocking the very heart of Christianity --Just saying
Well this statement goes right back at you -------How do you think your doing in that department ---calling what Jesus did for you Torture Porn ---and then claiming to be a Christian ----how kind and nice is that -----all the while mocking the very heart of Christianity --Just saying
It is like that dwelling place east of Jerusalem ... Shekinah? Temporally built on the concept of sans ... that's kind 've out there!
Powerful Jew Cid up folk are like that ... non-humble ... but buried in the nebulous ambiance is something else ... and unsafe cannot answer that either given what she knows and what she doesn't! Either way does she have seem to hang up her thing in the portal of the church? There that defines established ... a momentous monument to arrest! That's arrestee ... eh! Heavenly drop out ...
These go round down here setting laws for the demons and democracy ... regardless of the fact they seem driven by adrenaline and no eclectic nature ...
Now again I get that urge to go and learn else where ... then there is Santa Clause ... healthy words up the chimney? From the other side is the smoke grasped differently ... as the idea is smudged! Its a big hole out there ... the eternal pick-up game ...
In case you wondered where dispositioned thoughts go ... it is a dark mystery ... we simply don't know such complexity as it is too sophisticated for the masses ...
Yet the myth that Sophia is with us carries on ... (to be continued elsewhere)
Powerful Jew Cid up folk are like that ... non-humble ... but buried in the nebulous ambiance is something else ... and unsafe cannot answer that either given what she knows and what she doesn't! Either way does she have seem to hang up her thing in the portal of the church? There that defines established ... a momentous monument to arrest! That's arrestee ... eh! Heavenly drop out ...
These go round down here setting laws for the demons and democracy ... regardless of the fact they seem driven by adrenaline and no eclectic nature ...
Now again I get that urge to go and learn else where ... then there is Santa Clause ... healthy words up the chimney? From the other side is the smoke grasped differently ... as the idea is smudged! Its a big hole out there ... the eternal pick-up game ...
In case you wondered where dispositioned thoughts go ... it is a dark mystery ... we simply don't know such complexity as it is too sophisticated for the masses ...
Yet the myth that Sophia is with us carries on ... (to be continued elsewhere)
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Is that an out of here exclamation given the rules? Confined thoughts!
I was told by a minister that taught ethics in university that I was not to think he would tell me how ...
But he could not explain the divine difference between moral and ethical chaos! He always wished to end the discussion there!
It sets a glow on the old adage that the best teacher is a good scholar that is still out and about ... and that sort of thing finishes fixation and establishment ...
I should regress or retreat to the music threads and somehow insert the Happy Wanderer! It appears as an eternal thing that goes on ... and on as onan ... where onanism may infringe as getting a grip ... thus that source of trouble and concern is in hand! Own up tuit ... give it a rest!
I was told by a minister that taught ethics in university that I was not to think he would tell me how ...
But he could not explain the divine difference between moral and ethical chaos! He always wished to end the discussion there!
It sets a glow on the old adage that the best teacher is a good scholar that is still out and about ... and that sort of thing finishes fixation and establishment ...
I should regress or retreat to the music threads and somehow insert the Happy Wanderer! It appears as an eternal thing that goes on ... and on as onan ... where onanism may infringe as getting a grip ... thus that source of trouble and concern is in hand! Own up tuit ... give it a rest!
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Christians at the extreme ends of the theological spectrum don't always show much respect or even tolerance for each other.
I always think there is more balance at the middle of the spectrum. But as one who identifies as a middle of the road type, maybe I am completely wrong about this.
Holy Cows ... were back at that mean thing ... or the essence thereof ... the drift of psyche? Poe M eis ole ... what could one draw from such a thing as not there ... druids? What's an Ide? Can there be*de*nide ... and there it was gone again ... and all went dark as the night the lights went out down here (GEO Gaia) on my mind? So much for the dirt that befalls us for curiosities sake ... thus the technician for phonetics ... a Phonation? We are told not to speak of it thus the writ was declared rot as the powers preferred common folk illiterate! W/O that they wouldn't understand unlawful from criminal personality developments!
May also be the reason such monumental BS is against Psychology as a study in what's beyond ... Sam Johnson placed that in an early lexus or Lexicon for understanding the meaning or vernacular that is ... at least ... varied!
Consider the conflict between Brother Trump and his Sister personality off shoot (paean) Mary! Is it a useless thing given someone has no mind for it ...
Superior AD*Rene*Line ... perhaps an un-pheromonal state ... he couldn't smell himself?
Something to die for ... so you wouldn't know the nature of inhumanity ... what's in it for them! Thus the core is sucked out ... giving a basis for decorum ... facetiae? Masques of the universe as cosm ology (ology is an interesting word considering the description of the-"O"!)
Then a small group goes off the track of Theo being a big powerful person ... a myth to rest with as amethyst, that purple shadow ... fringe thing?
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unsafe
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paradox3 ---you said ----I always think there is more balance at the middle of the spectrum. But as one who identifies as a middle of the road type, maybe I am completely wrong about this.
I say ---one could ask who's spectrum your speaking of ------
If you look at Jesus and the Pharisees ----there was no balance ---Jesus didn't say I came to strike a balance with God's chosen so we could walk in the middle of the road -----He said He didn't come to bring peace He came to bring a 2 edged sword --to divide households ----so where is the middle road there ----
Jesus said your either for me or against me ---no middle road there ------
I say -----Maybe your speaking of the Religious theological spectrum ----but God has no Religion ----Jesus was a Jew but He Never once said -----Follow my Religion of Judaism or any other Religion ------Jesus followed His Father's Will ----not any Religion
Jesus was a straight shooter ----and was blunt and to the point and took no guff from the The Pharisees nor did He allow any middle ground to be walked from His teachings -----you either had your heart open to His message or it was closed and unable to grasp the message ---
I say --what your middle ground says is this ------you are Lukewarm ---you are neither for God or against God -----Jesus gives grave warnings for anyone who remains Lukewarm -----Jesus speaks to the church of Laodicea in Revelations 3 verse and says this below
You can Read Revelations 3 for yourself ----I am just posting this verse about lukewarmness
Revelations 3:verse 16
Berean Study Bible
So because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to vomit you out of My mouth!
i say ------So what does this word vomit mean in the Greek in this scripture -----you won't like it ----
HELPS Word-studies
1692 eméō – properly, vomit (MM); (figuratively) repulsed, showing utter rejection (desiring total separation);"to reject with extreme disgust"
I say --------And here we see the Greek meaning for lukewarmness used as a Metaphor ----
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 5513: χιλιαρος
to become warm, liquefy, melt), tepid, lukewarm: metaphorically, of the condition of a soul wretchedly fluctuating between a torpor and a fervor of love,
I say ---so while all Religions may have middle Ground that can be reached ----Middle Ground with God which is lukewarmness is not acceptable -so it seems ----just saying
I say ---one could ask who's spectrum your speaking of ------
If you look at Jesus and the Pharisees ----there was no balance ---Jesus didn't say I came to strike a balance with God's chosen so we could walk in the middle of the road -----He said He didn't come to bring peace He came to bring a 2 edged sword --to divide households ----so where is the middle road there ----
Jesus said your either for me or against me ---no middle road there ------
I say -----Maybe your speaking of the Religious theological spectrum ----but God has no Religion ----Jesus was a Jew but He Never once said -----Follow my Religion of Judaism or any other Religion ------Jesus followed His Father's Will ----not any Religion
Jesus was a straight shooter ----and was blunt and to the point and took no guff from the The Pharisees nor did He allow any middle ground to be walked from His teachings -----you either had your heart open to His message or it was closed and unable to grasp the message ---
I say --what your middle ground says is this ------you are Lukewarm ---you are neither for God or against God -----Jesus gives grave warnings for anyone who remains Lukewarm -----Jesus speaks to the church of Laodicea in Revelations 3 verse and says this below
You can Read Revelations 3 for yourself ----I am just posting this verse about lukewarmness
Revelations 3:verse 16
Berean Study Bible
So because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to vomit you out of My mouth!
i say ------So what does this word vomit mean in the Greek in this scripture -----you won't like it ----
HELPS Word-studies
1692 eméō – properly, vomit (MM); (figuratively) repulsed, showing utter rejection (desiring total separation);"to reject with extreme disgust"
I say --------And here we see the Greek meaning for lukewarmness used as a Metaphor ----
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 5513: χιλιαρος
to become warm, liquefy, melt), tepid, lukewarm: metaphorically, of the condition of a soul wretchedly fluctuating between a torpor and a fervor of love,
I say ---so while all Religions may have middle Ground that can be reached ----Middle Ground with God which is lukewarmness is not acceptable -so it seems ----just saying