Canadian election and other political stuff

[Mendalla]

I don't think there's anything Trudeau could do to convince many (most?) Westerners to accept him. There is some very rabid anti-Trudeau sentiment in the western provinces. It started with his father and frankly, I don't think he had a chance with many people here.

The East-West split in Canada is becoming a bigger and bigger problem, I think. Even in Conservative governments it often rears its ugly head since the high concentration of seats in Ontario and Quebec naturally forces governments to cater more to the East to keep their majorities. Just look at Alberta's recent moves to try to give themselves the authority to stop federal action even in areas of federal jurisdiction. Having a PM based in the West seems to help, as we saw with Harper, but that sometimes alienates the East given the West's penchant for leaning hard to the conservative end of the spectrum. Of course, the East is not uniformly liberal/Liberal either. Rural areas and some suburbs around here can be as conservative as the West while urban areas can even go NDP (as London-Fanshawe here tends to do and as all of London did provincially). And the strongly South Asian communities like Brampton are actually quite conservative socially and really only lean Liberal politically at times because the Libs are perceived (mostly correctly) as being pro-immigration and less Islamophobic. Hence Ontario's tendency to flip-flop between the parties rather than being identifiably liberal or conservative.

 

[WhyCzar]

provinces themselves want no-strings-attached money and any strings get tagged as "federal interference"

Alberta intends to opt out of the federal dental plan and maintain its provincial programs for Albertans. Alberta is seeking to negotiate an agreement for the province’s share of federal dental funding and will use this unconditional funding to expand dental coverage to more low-income Albertans.

 

[Waterfall]

Alberta intends to opt out of the federal dental plan and maintain its provincial programs for Albertans. Alberta is seeking to negotiate an agreement for the province’s share of federal dental funding and will use this unconditional funding to expand dental coverage to more low-income Albertans.

They can do that with the carbon tax too I believe?

 

[Northwind]

I'm so thankful we left Alberta when we did. I'm glad we were there for awhile. There's a lot to like about the province.

 

[Mendalla]

They can do that with the carbon tax too I believe?

Provinces that have their own carbon tax are exempted from the federal one, or so I understand, so I think that's a yes.

Alberta intends to opt out of the federal dental plan and maintain its provincial programs for Albertans. Alberta is seeking to negotiate an agreement for the province’s share of federal dental funding and will use this unconditional funding to expand dental coverage to more low-income Albertans.

Which, honestly, is how the program should be handled in the first place. Provinces already handle the funding, regardless of revenue source, for all other health programs so have all the required infrastructure in place. The feds doing it the way they did was just them being in a hurry to satisfy the NDP and get a "win".

 

[Luce NDs]

Let us face it, the world is divided by divine disorder and is doomed to collapses under such lack of logos ... because of the 2 house situation that sets one half against the other ... no matter what! We love failing conflict ... everything fall down!

 

[Waterfall]

Honestly, Trudeau finally says they've got work to do, then puts his foot in his mouth by saying they don't have to listen as much to the people but go to communities and remind them what the liberals have done and plan on doing. What????!

 

[Mendalla]

Trudeau has always had that arrogance about him, though. He's the kind of nepo baby who gives nepo babies a bad name (and I say that as someone who hates the whole nepo baby thing). And I guess it bit him on the ass a bit when he lost his majority in that ill-timed, ill-thought-out pandemic election. Apparently, not hard enough, though.

 

[Northwind]

I lost respect for him when I saw how he treated Jody Wilson Raybould. I think he meant well when he said he wanted to be an ally. Unfortunately, he likely only put people like her in those roles so he would look good. He responded very poorly to her. No one should be thrown under the bus like that. She wasn't the only one who he treated poorly. He may have learned something because he has women in power roles now and seems to be letting them do their jobs.

There is no reason for him to understand what it's like to be marginalized. He's a spoiled white boy from a privileged world with a power name. Totally a nepo baby. If he humbled himself and acknowledged that, he could be an ally. It looks like he still has a long way to go.

 

[Waterfall]

I lost respect for him when I saw how he treated Jody Wilson Raybould. I think he meant well when he said he wanted to be an ally. Unfortunately, he likely only put people like her in those roles so he would look good. He responded very poorly to her. No one should be thrown under the bus like that. She wasn't the only one who he treated poorly. He may have learned something because he has women in power roles now and seems to be letting them do their jobs.

There is no reason for him to understand what it's like to be marginalized. He's a spoiled white boy from a privileged world with a power name. Totally a nepo baby. If he humbled himself and acknowledged that, he could be an ally. It looks like he still has a long way to go.

Agree, but he needs someone in his party to give him some fast advice. Honestly, I am not keen on PP but I'm keeping an open mind for future election....Singh is also on my radar, but he needs to step up his game on how to run a campaign.

 

[Luce NDs]

I lost respect for him when I saw how he treated Jody Wilson Raybould. I think he meant well when he said he wanted to be an ally. Unfortunately, he likely only put people like her in those roles so he would look good. He responded very poorly to her. No one should be thrown under the bus like that. She wasn't the only one who he treated poorly. He may have learned something because he has women in power roles now and seems to be letting them do their jobs.

There is no reason for him to understand what it's like to be marginalized. He's a spoiled white boy from a privileged world with a power name. Totally a nepo baby. If he humbled himself and acknowledged that, he could be an ally. It looks like he still has a long way to go.

It is said that power has some adverse affect on psyche functions and then some powers dispose of that as if it were something prodigal ... isn't that a waste of human potential? So thoughts ghost along on an opposing wind ...

 

[Mendalla]

I like Poilievre himself, but there's people in his party, some of whom backed him for the leadership and might want to call in the favour, who scare the s**t out of me. Very American-sounding hardcore so-cons (Hi, Leslyn Lewis. How's it going? )

 

[Northwind]

Agree, but he needs someone in his party to give him some fast advice. Honestly, I am not keen on PP but I'm keeping an open mind for future election....Singh is also on my radar, but he needs to step up his game on how to run a campaign.

I agree.

 

[Waterfall]

I like Poilievre himself, but there's people in his party, some of whom backed him for the leadership and might want to call in the favour, who scare the s**t out of me. Very American-sounding hardcore so-cons (Hi, Leslyn Lewis. How's it going? )

Oh I agree, I tend to think of him as having Trump like associations in the background, and on the mark to possibly destroy some things that ARE working. But I will listen.

 

[Mendalla]

Not even Trump-like, more Mike Pence, IMHO. Religious zealots who want to remove rights from women and LGBTQ. And the gun lobby is strong with them, too.

 

[Waterfall]

Not even Trump-like, more Mike Pence, IMHO. Religious zealots who want to remove rights from women and LGBTQ. And the gun lobby is strong with them, too.

And the fact that he is avoiding talking about those subjects to the press....is worrisome

 

[Northwind]

Has Poillievre offered anything beyond criticizing Trudeau? That's a genuine question, not judgement.

 

[Mendalla]

And the fact that he is avoiding talking about those subjects to the press....is worrisome

Because he saw what happened to guys like Harper and Scheer when Conservatives did talk to the press about them. It's disingenuous for him to avoid them or claim they aren't an issue when members of his party and caucus want to make them an issue.

Has Poillievre offered anything beyond criticizing Trudeau?

Opposition Leaders rarely do, though. That's hardly new to him. We won't hear much beyond plaititudes about actual policies from the Conservatives until the election is called. And let's not forget that Trudeau is likely going to try to win by attacking the Poilievre and the Conservatives if his policies don't seem to be doing the job. That actually bothers me more. The government should be putting forward and defending its agenda, not playing attack dog.

 

[Waterfall]

Has Poillievre offered anything beyond criticizing Trudeau? That's a genuine question, not judgement.

I'd love to see a debate when we get closer to an election, because he does rely alot on tearing Trudeau apart.
I think he has mentioned a few housing solutions, without much detail.

 

[Waterfall]

Anybody think an election should be called....of course it's not for the liberals advantage to do so.