Bill C7 (MAiD expansion) and impact on Standards of Care

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Of course you were, and your questions made it very clear the answers you were seeking and AI pleased you. Kimmio, I do not disagree with you on this topic, but I don't think I've seen "confirmation bias" demonstrated quite so clearly.

If it confirms I’m biased against the dangers and toward the FACTS so be it. “Confirmation bias” - those words became a tool of right wing internet trolls - as instructed by sociopathic influencers (Scott Adams, the Intellectual Dark Web bunch)- to put down support for human rights in general and covertly support fascism. I don’t respect the term or when someone uses it to be passive aggressive with me. Especially on something this important. It shows serious lack of empathy for people who are anguishing over their loss of rights and feeling dehumanized and ignored - those words are dismissive when applied to social issues where a minority group has been shut out of their own expertise on an issue by a powerful lobby co-opting. It’s like if I were to look up Trump gutting the DEI programs and asked AI to point out what went wrong, AI agreed about the reason why it harms vs the benefit to the far right agenda, and you told me that’s confirmation bias. Same thing. It’s not just a difference of opinion or agreeing. It’s saying you either care or you don’t about how it’s affecting hundreds of thousands of people, their perceived worth, and their lived dignity now and into the future.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Kimmio, you can't ban words because people you don't like use them. You can be many things, but not the language police.

'Confirmation bias" is a really useful phrase with a fairly specific meaning. It means the tendency of humans to seek evidence for their pre-existing POV.

And really, YOU could stop the gaslighting behaviour. It's gotten to the point that a minor disagreement to any of your points results in a collective insult of "saying you either care or you don’t about how it’s affecting hundreds of thousands of people, their perceived worth, and their lived dignity now and into the future". However do you think that your black and white, I'm right and everyone's wrong (on every detail of a rather complex social issue), presentation helps the cause? You know that you are preaching to the converted here, yet you spew insults around as if we were a bunch of ignorant strangers, rather than on-line but human humans, some of whom you have met and most of whom you have known for at least a decade.

Even if you wish to argue that you're educating all the lurkers on this site (as if a wide world was waiting with bated breath for the next WC wonder-wisdom dropping), putting it in the context of insulting your largely supportive co-members of a small on-line community doesn't really add to your credibility.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Kimmio, you can't ban words because people you don't like use them. You can be many things, but not the language police.

'Confirmation bias" is a really useful phrase with a fairly specific meaning. It means the tendency of humans to seek evidence for their pre-existing POV.

And really, YOU could stop the gaslighting behaviour. It's gotten to the point that a minor disagreement to any of your points results in a collective insult of "saying you either care or you don’t about how it’s affecting hundreds of thousands of people, their perceived worth, and their lived dignity now and into the future". However do you think that your black and white, I'm right and everyone's wrong (on every detail of a rather complex social issue), presentation helps the cause? You know that you are preaching to the converted here, yet you spew insults around as if we were a bunch of ignorant strangers, rather than on-line but human humans, some of whom you have met and most of whom you have known for at least a decade.

Even if you wish to argue that you're educating all the lurkers on this site (as if a wide world was waiting with bated breath for the next WC wonder-wisdom dropping), putting it in the context of insulting your largely supportive co-members of a small on-line community doesn't really add to your credibility.

You’re right. I’m sensitive. I’ve been dumped on more in society while just living my life in recent years so I have a tendency to not trust anyone who isn’t on the same page even a little bit because that little bit can grow into a bigger threat for us. Like being a little bit racist - just as non white people have reason to be sensitive to that. I suppose non racists have a confirmation bias but it’s still correct. I’ve actually been experiencing being at the bottom end without a voice - we’re experiencing hostility others can’t see - feeling the growing diminishment of attention to disability rights, and the stereotyping, in real life and it’s scary s**t - the world is a hostile place now and the same attitudes affecting the US are here too. It’s real not just an intellectual argument for more and more people. And it’s damaging. People don’t see it when they’re not affected in their own lives by discrimination so much, so maybe keep that in mind. We’ve known each other a long time and you know I’m also a real person who’s been hurt by all this for real - not just a poster having a debate.

I’m not banning anyone’s use of words. I’m pushing back because I remember exactly in what context - Scott Adams - those words started being used here. That was a bad time, and people were falling for it. Certain words have become dog whistles - to particular political points of view - when they may not have been before. I’m not banning you from using them I’m pointing out that their use can be passive aggressive to those who understand how they’ve been used in the past ten years.

Not sure what gaslighting I’m doing though. I’m being honest.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I’m also sensitive because I remember when it didn’t matter how well an argument I laid out it was treated as irrational and I was given a really hard time undeservedly. Until the warnings actually became true. And the UN backed it up. Then a few news articles in papers people here read. But people died before anyone believed me - people I’d interacted with or at least knew of within online disability circles even, and found out they’d had MAiD due to inaccessibility and isolation concerns and gave up - they were real people too - so needless to say I am sensitive. It would’ve been so much better - maybe people would’ve helped change things - if I hadn’t been dismissed before. I am bruised over that but I’m okay.

 

[Luce NDs]

Confirmation is also big in the edifice ... and thus stoned formations! They declare it cannot change ... and then? Oma gauwd!

The myth thus extends ... as sometimes cockamamie? Mortals get few things right ... but demand points ... prickly essence ... like the catholic monstrous! Moe's trusted item ... strutted out ... blunders? Mishappen blunders ... like Oma? Before they knew it was Ova ... and what was absorbed? Unspeakable ... especially if something was learned ... powers hate learned items ... thus Ophie departed ... the "H" being a space Eire ... if you can assemble there?