Bill C7 (MAiD expansion) and impact on Standards of Care

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Minorities seem to be bearing the brunt of a lot of religious-right policies these days. Especially down south, for now. Just what Jesus would do. /s (Supply Side Jesus, for sure.)


Canada was duped into our MAiD laws, as expansion was in the plans all along, imho.
 
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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Yeah writing letters to MPs isn’t going to do anything unless the media covers this properly. The public needs to know, and they still generally don’t. I blame the people we tried to tell who weren’t listening. I blame the media for treating it like a fringe concern of a few complainy folks not a flagrant human rights abuse that changes the fabric of society.
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So much for laying hopes on politicians; there seems to be a flaw in that plan if they are left alone to the resources ...

Keep an eye out ... Eire! The polar view can go amuck ... that's reality!

Can reality be trusted?
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
In the past 2 days, the senate has approved amendments to allow advanced directives, as well as to allow medical practitioners to bring up MAiD with their patients. The latter is particularly alarming. It could so easily be abused to take advantage of vulnerable people. Particularly when they are trying to process a new diagnosis, may be grieving their loss of ability, or may have other social and economic problems weighing on them. It is also alarming even in foreseeable death cases - where they may feel pressure to not take up a palliative care bed or burden the system or their families, or they may be pressured into looking at the short end of a variable prognosis (subtle encouragement at a time of weakness, not to fight their cancer diagnosis?) It’s seriously dangerous, and i believe at the root of it is callous cost analysis. Attrition, from an availability of services perspective, becomes a real concern with this. Possibly (likely) now impacted further by the cost of fighting covid...of course the economists are thinking about the growing cost of covid and how to recover it by cutting back wherever they can. Of course they are. And since MAiD is seen as a choice (but is less a choice the fewer options are available) they are hoping they dont get pushback. The public is already conditioned to MAiD now, so they are more receptive to each slip down the slope.

Doctors must not be allowed to do this (bring up MAiD to patients). It undermines standard of care. (I feel like I never want to see a doctor for anything again because if they mentioned it to me in the context of having a disability but not being close to death - when I have to trust my care to them - it would crush me. I doubt I’m alone.) And if they expand this to include mental health, and doctors are required to mention it as a “treatment option”...that just undermines the whole concept of mental health care, and suicide prevention.

There’s going to have to be a Supreme Court challenge to this. From scratch. This cannot stand. It’s ill considered. And I note that Pamela Wallin raised the advanced directives amendment based on her personal anecdotes, fears, and feelings. No scientific considerations. Whether you hoped for advanced directives to be made legal or not, Pamela Wallins fears and feelings are not expert opinions to justify rushing a decision.

globalnews.ca

Canadian senators approve amendment to assisted dying bill to allow advance requests - National | Globalnews.ca

The amendment to Bill C-7 was approved by a vote of 47-28, with eight abstentions.
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Quoting myself from 4 1/2 yrs ago. I wish I could’ve gotten this out to more people, but I didn’t have satisfactory mainstream credentials in others’ eyes no matter how well I explained. People from disadvantaged groups often don’t. Others, even if they don’t want to learn anything about an issue, always know best. That’s why we have ongoing disadvantage. It’s a continual bother.
 
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The old adage is that ... "its best not to know!"

Why? The reason is not desired ... irrational is best kept in the dark ... so one can enjoy the sense of it being vacant, gone ... and there it was deficient!

Some say folk are intelligent but search for ways to lose it ... thus love evolved into a disaster ... bi-gods big hand?

That's some word eh? Too wordy ... folk like silence and thus regression ... we back away from it! Knowledge is frightening ... para Noia! Essential coupling ... of vapors!
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
But you seem fixated on this source.
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Kelsi Sheren, A Canadian Military Veteran is disabled and I see her on platforms that have millions of viewers. Seems to me she is on your side of this issue and is just as competent to speak up for the disabled as you are.

I do not follow your train of logic when insisting on dividing up your supporters into political or religious groupings.
 
WhyCzar said:
Kelsi Sheren, A Canadian Military Veteran is disabled and I see her on platforms that have millions of viewers. Seems to me she is on your side of this issue and is just as competent to speak up for the disabled as you are.

I do not follow your train of logic when insisting on dividing up your supporters into political or religious groupings.
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You need to read some sociology or something. You are very hard to communicate with.

No, you won’t get it. You don’t see how being in the same camp as religious pro lifers, being anti-abortion which is anti-feminist and that patriarchy is key to strongmen nationalists - and treating MAiD like it’s an indistinguishable issue from abortion - has turned half of Canada against looking at how dangerous MAiD policy is in a broader social context. The religious pro lifers started that. They co-opted the MAiD issue. Secular progressives responded by rejecting both their MAiD and abortion positions. That’s where the media split happened. That’s why disability organizations with clear objections and solid understanding and decades of disability rights advocacy were ignored and the laws passed - because the religious prolifers muddied up a clear position and message years ago.

You know, Hitler supported the injured Nazi vets? He wanted other disabled and sick patients out of the way - especially non Aryan patients - to clear space in hospitals.

I’m not comparing Kelsi to Hitler, at all. She’s doing her best but I’m not sure she’s objective or sees the strategic communication barrier either.

I’m looking at the influence of politics, messaging - you can’t pretend strategy doesn’t matter - and how people’s lives are prioritized in wartime. Maybe her vet status can help get the message out about MAiD but I don’t think her anti-abortion position will help get it repealed when religious nationalism is exactly the problem people who are against fascism are up against. Half the country is progressive and sees themselves as against fascism, but they are pro-MAiD because they’re feminist and antiabortion. The right did that, created that divide and conquer problem.
 
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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
You need to read some sociology or something. You are very hard to communicate with.

No, you won’t get it. You don’t see how being in the same camp as religious pro lifers, being anti-abortion which is anti-feminist and that patriarchy is key to strongmen nationalists - and treating MAiD like it’s an indistinguishable issue from abortion - has turned half of Canada against looking at how dangerous MAiD policy is in a broader social context. The religious pro lifers started that. They co-opted the MAiD issue. Secular progressives responded by rejecting both their MAiD and abortion positions. That’s where the media split happened. That’s why disability organizations with clear objections and solid understanding and decades of disability rights advocacy were ignored and the laws passed - because the religious prolifers muddied up a clear position and message years ago.

You know, Hitler supported the injured Nazi vets? He wanted other disabled and sick patients out of the way - especially non Aryan patients - to clear space in hospitals.

I’m not comparing Kelsi to Hitler, at all. She’s doing her best but I’m not sure she’s objective or sees the strategic communication barrier either.

I’m looking at the influence of politics, messaging - you can’t pretend strategy doesn’t matter - and how people’s lives are prioritized in wartime. Maybe her vet status can help get the message out about MAiD but I don’t think her anti-abortion position will help get it repealed when religious nationalism is exactly the problem people who are against fascism are up against. Half the country is progressive and sees themselves as against fascism, but they are pro-MAiD because they’re feminist and antiabortion pro-choice. The right did that, created that divide and conquer problem.
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*the progressives are feminist and pro-choice, rather. I wrote antiabortion by mistake and can’t edit it. It’s an important distinction. @WC2Mods
 
WhyCzar said:
Kelsi Sheren, A Canadian Military Veteran is disabled and I see her on platforms that have millions of viewers. Seems to me she is on your side of this issue and is just as competent to speak up for the disabled as you are.

I do not follow your train of logic when insisting on dividing up your supporters into political or religious groupings.
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Does she understand that the history of disability rights is progressive and political and was achieved because of the blood sweat and tears of disabled people themselves and other marginalized civil rights groups, including feminists and gay rights activists and black activists and disillusioned Vietnam vets coming together in solidarity to speak truth to power? It can’t not be political.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
coming together in solidarity
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Exactly.

Solidarity should not classify people or issues using partisan logic.

Solidarity should focus on shared conditions that undermine people’s basic dignity - not single party issues.

Solidarity calls for inclusive engagement not ideological alignment on every issue under the sun.
 
WhyCzar said:
Politcal can be non partisan. Do you think she enlisted because of the political party that was in power or because she wanted to serve her country as a whole.
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I suppose all soldiers of all countries want to serve their countries. Armies are as partisan and ideological as their leadership giving orders. “Serving your Country” is, technically, a nationalist political position. Some soldiers solve their countries’ people, some serve their countries’ leaders. When the people support the soldiers to support the leaders without question about the leaders’ ideology, it can get complicated (and very partisan). It’s still political.
 
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WhyCzar said:
Exactly.

Solidarity should not classify people or issues using partisan logic.

Solidarity should focus on shared conditions that undermine people’s basic dignity - not single party issues.

Solidarity calls for inclusive engagement not ideological alignment on every issue under the sun.
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Some political ideologies contradict human rights - which contradict human dignity. Solidarity with disabled people means solidarity for all historically marginalized groups - understanding risk of oppression still exists - and it means supporting the United Nations Universal Declaration on Human Rights. Period.

You’re not listening. Religious pro-lifers have alienated half of this country from seeing the injustices to disabled people that MAiD legislation ushered in. They are working against solidarity. They don’t realize it. They are putting religious exceptionalism in front of human rights - and that’s how progressives are reading it. That’s how half the country sees it, because they co-opted the issue as a prolife issue. And the other half of progressive mainstream voters see it as a prochoice issue. And nobody sees it from a “disability rights are human rights” point of view because major disability groups who are far more expert in this than Kelsi, have now been dismissed because of the co-opting. Anyone who’s in this from a prolife position needs to earn back trust from the loose coalition of informed disability groups, because they screwed up efforts to raise awareness to the human rights injustice to disabled people, starting over 11 years ago. It hurt efforts to halt expansion.
 
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It’s on Kelsi to join disability rights groups in their efforts and respect that disability rights are also about the rights of women and lgbtq+ people, black, Indigenous and ethnic and religious minorities. Because that’s solidarity. Particularly when fascism, misogyny, and white supremacy and neonaziism have been rising. That’s why it’s so important to reverse MAiD - because history is repeating.

Maybe she’d done it. Maybe she’s reached out to disability groups and joined them in their efforts. I suspect not because you’re the only person I’ve heard of her from. I don’t look at right wing social media. I haven’t looked much into it because I don’t trust your sources, generally, WhyCzar.
 
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