Bill C7 (MAiD expansion) and impact on Standards of Care

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I came across this in the past couple of days. It’s about concerns over standards in healthcare related to Bill C7.

policyoptions.irpp.org

How Bill C-7 will sacrifice the medical profession’s Standard of Care

As Parliament discusses Bill C-7’s expansion of the Medical Assistance in Dying (MAiD) Act, one issue has been conspicuously absent from public debate, even though it has major implications for medicine and for patients: the impact of the bill on the role of the medical profession in determining...
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In the past 2 days, the senate has approved amendments to allow advanced directives, as well as to allow medical practitioners to bring up MAiD with their patients. The latter is particularly alarming. It could so easily be abused to take advantage of vulnerable people. Particularly when they are trying to process a new diagnosis, may be grieving their loss of ability, or may have other social and economic problems weighing on them. It is also alarming even in foreseeable death cases - where they may feel pressure to not take up a palliative care bed or burden the system or their families, or they may be pressured into looking at the short end of a variable prognosis (subtle encouragement at a time of weakness, not to fight their cancer diagnosis?) It’s seriously dangerous, and i believe at the root of it is callous cost analysis. Attrition, from an availability of services perspective, becomes a real concern with this. Possibly (likely) now impacted further by the cost of fighting covid...of course the economists are thinking about the growing cost of covid and how to recover it by cutting back wherever they can. Of course they are. And since MAiD is seen as a choice (but is less a choice the fewer options are available) they are hoping they dont get pushback. The public is already conditioned to MAiD now, so they are more receptive to each slip down the slope.

Doctors must not be allowed to do this (bring up MAiD to patients). It undermines standard of care. (I feel like I never want to see a doctor for anything again because if they mentioned it to me in the context of having a disability but not being close to death - when I have to trust my care to them - it would crush me. I doubt I’m alone.) And if they expand this to include mental health, and doctors are required to mention it as a “treatment option”...that just undermines the whole concept of mental health care, and suicide prevention.

There’s going to have to be a Supreme Court challenge to this. From scratch. This cannot stand. It’s ill considered. And I note that Pamela Wallin raised the advanced directives amendment based on her personal anecdotes, fears, and feelings. No scientific considerations. Whether you hoped for advanced directives to be made legal or not, Pamela Wallins fears and feelings are not expert opinions to justify rushing a decision.

globalnews.ca

Canadian senators approve amendment to assisted dying bill to allow advance requests - National | Globalnews.ca

The amendment to Bill C-7 was approved by a vote of 47-28, with eight abstentions.
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Is this related to Bill C7?

First published online February 28, 2025 in the Journal of Death and Dying.

Health Canada has a plan for "savings".

The analysis reveals that from 2027 to 2047, the government is on track to save $1.273 trillion?

By providing 14.7 million Canadians with Medical Assistance in Dying rather than palliative care?

The data is available for public scrutiny in the SAGE Journal and the Journal of Death and Dying.


@Kimmio Laughterlove perhaps you have already seen this.

What is your take on it?
 
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WhyCzar said:
Is this related to Bill C7?

First published online February 28, 2025 in the Journal of Death and Dying.

Health Canada has a plan for "savings".

The analysis reveals that from 2027 to 2047, the government is on track to save $1.273 trillion?

By providing 14.7 million Canadians with Medical Assistance in Dying rather than palliative care?

The data is available for public scrutiny in the SAGE Journal and the Journal of Death and Dying.


@Kimmio Laughterlove perhaps you have already seen this.

What is your take on it?
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Extreme efficiency and how we lose intellect and such on an increasing rate? Emotional reactions are the preference on this side of the vale ...
 
WhyCzar said:
Is this related to Bill C7?

First published online February 28, 2025 in the Journal of Death and Dying.

Health Canada has a plan for "savings".

The analysis reveals that from 2027 to 2047, the government is on track to save $1.273 trillion?

By providing 14.7 million Canadians with Medical Assistance in Dying rather than palliative care?

The data is available for public scrutiny in the SAGE Journal and the Journal of Death and Dying.


@Kimmio Laughterlove perhaps you have already seen this.

What is your take on it?
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Of course it is. Yes, that was always a concern. I wrote on this site before about the government having done a cost benefit analysis after implementing track 1. They assured the public that MAID wasn’t going to cost the public more tax payer dollars. Well of course it wasn’t! I do believe that’s the main driver of expansion. When cutting costs they always cut from the bottom. If they ignore equality and human rights - and let the court redefine them outside of international principles (that we committed to!) - it’s an excuse to keep disabled people at the bottom.
 
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This expansion business is neonazi crap, imo. It’s not just opinion. Much of the arguments advancing it were taken from Goebbels playbook (look up Ich An Klage/ I Accuse. German WW2 propaganda - there are commenters praising the film because the world has fallen backwards. It should alarm good people. Read it - it’s now harder to find if you want to watch it - on your own time if you choose, don’t post it. It is not positive. It doesn’t bode well with the state of things in the US - POTUS has Nazi apologist supporters - and how that affects us.) But know that Canada advanced the same arguments to get public support. So they obscured our human rights using the court, and didn’t follow international principles. The public has been obtuse about it. They now just accept most of it without alarm (there’s been some pushback to mental health expansion but it’s not exactly loud). And if it’s just folded into the budget rather than acknowledged then Carney can ignore it and not look bad.
 
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It’s the most sinister law that’s happened quietly in Canada since WW2. We cannot pat ourselves on the back. Canadians are part of the problem. It’s shameful.
 
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We have human rights to prevent people’s bigotries from being able to do harm to minority populations. They stop the seeds of bigotry from being allowed to be more than private opinion. But with MAiD we’ve given the public permission to dehumanize and use the state to advance it - it’s very bad.
 
If we sell off all public interests to the private sector that swear they can run things at a profit ... who gains?

Thus a great deal of material becomes a possession of a few ... defining wealth procurement to the very end of public stuff ...

What is the end of public stuff? Ask sly politicians that sell belief in business is best for bringing on ends ... Satyr?

Thus the butte of the Joe Kaye ... some say Jacque to be franc ... it too is a word!
 
Just a reminder that these Senate amendments are not law yet. C-7 will need to go back to the house with any Senate amendments to be voted on again by MPs. So time to start lobbying elected representatives. The Senate does not get the final word on legislation, just input. And once it is back in the house, more amendments can happen, too.
 
The truth will tell ... given the propensity for common folk to believe the greatest base lyre ...

Expect some good ones to disassemble given the urge to entanglement! Thus we are intuit ...

Some do not even realize that we live in a domain of chaos and anarchy ... pure dissonance (it Eris es)!

It is a word even debated by English professors that are unaware of some word ... just slipped away!

In short nothing makes sense ... anything else is disturbing! Fundamentally frothy ... a rendered ideal gas is thus compressed ...
 
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Luce NDs said:
The truth will tell ... given the propensity for common folk to believe the greatest base lyre ...

Expect some good ones to disassemble given the urge to entanglement! Thus we are intuit ...

Some do not even realize that we live in a domain of chaos and anarchy ... pure dissonance (it Eris es)!

It is a word even debated by English professors that are unaware of some word ... just slipped away!

In short nothing makes sense ... anything else is disturbing! Fundamentally frothy ... a rendered ideal gas is thus compressed ...
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Yeah writing letters to MPs isn’t going to do anything unless the media covers this properly. The public needs to know, and they still generally don’t. I blame the people we tried to tell who weren’t listening. I blame the media for treating it like a fringe concern of a few complainy folks not a flagrant human rights abuse that changes the fabric of society.
 
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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
What if doctors are allowed to bring up MAiD, and they rule there is no necessary reflection period? This could have devastating consequences!

say no to Bill C7
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theconversation.com

Ontario Chief Coroner reports raise concerns that MAID policy and practice focus on access rather than protection

Recent reports from the Chief Coroner for Ontario reveal that Canada’s MAiD law, policy and practice focuses on promoting access to death, rather than protection.
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(note, C7 received royal assent - it passed - on March 17, 2021. Just sayin’. It’s been 4 1/2 years and a lot of deaths since I said that. I was getting my information from experts on the matter who’ve been dismissed all along.)
 
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