Chemtrails and HAARP are considered government weapons of mass destruction in order to control nature and the weather for creating havoc for their own benefit, by conspiracy theorists.
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Lastpointe
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Exactly my point. We all have our "issues" and want to vote for the partythat supports our position.
Actually no, we don't Lastpointe. I personally don't vote along party lines. I imagine I'm not alone in that.
There are bigger reasons not to vote for the Conservatives. That was pretty gross, I saw it last night, and the #peegate comments that followed were pretty funny. There have been some pretty funny "ooops" moments lately. What on earth possesed him to do that (in a home he was working on - not even his own home which would be weird enough)? I feel a bit sorry for him. He probably feels pretty foolish.
I agree that the young Lib candidate made really racist comments that put her fitness for office of MP into question (and she resigned didn't she?) She was young and foolish. But she's not much older now, so...? Yeah, that didn't reflect well on her or the party at all. Since she's gone, she's no longer a reason not to vote Liberal, I suppose.
Quebec just isn't a big enough issue from here, for me, not to vote NDP. It never has been just because out here most of us feel pretty distant from that issue. I don't support separation. I also don't think it'll happen. If it did, that would be very bad for Canada, a logistical nightmare on so many levels, but it's an issue that goes back to when I was a little kid, probably before that - and it's less likely now than it was then.
I don't like everything about Mulcair but he seems like the best choice to me. And, again, I do like May - I think she's really smart (despite her whacky science - she's representing her constituents' concerns. It's BC. I can forgive that because she's good on several other important things) but she's got no chance of being PM and so it would not be a very effective vote, at this time, to vote Green, imo.
There is no perfect choice. There never is. I just think we really need a change of government.
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Lastpointe
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Right. So your issue is change of govenment. That is a valid reason to vote for you but not one i embrace
My point is that we all have our reasons. Often they are single issue reasons. Science, carbon tax, income splitting, isis, dislike of a party leader...., helath care, privitization, the arctic, foreign affairs.........
Nothing wrong with that. But we need to recognise that for the majority we vote for what appeals to us as individuals.
I could never vote for Justin. Ever
I could vote for Mulcaire if he wasnt the leader of theNDP
Seeing as he has switched parties before if he does Again, I would consider him
My point is that we all have our reasons. Often they are single issue reasons. Science, carbon tax, income splitting, isis, dislike of a party leader...., helath care, privitization, the arctic, foreign affairs.........
Nothing wrong with that. But we need to recognise that for the majority we vote for what appeals to us as individuals.
I could never vote for Justin. Ever
I could vote for Mulcaire if he wasnt the leader of theNDP
Seeing as he has switched parties before if he does Again, I would consider him
ChemGal
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They aren't all Conservative currently.
I suspect Duncan will stay (she's running again, right?) and the person I previously thought I could support is not a Conservative candidate, I think he has a good chance of winning too, he's generally well liked in this city.
Right now, I know of 2 candidates here (about to search to see if there's more info for others). Looking around, you would only know one is running. Seeking out the other, I haven't been impressed.
It was amusing, someone Chemguy works with was ranting how no one seemed to know who they voted for in the provincial election if they voted NDP. He asked my husband if he could even name the MLA. My husband gave the name then mentioned how I had contacted him, got a response back in a timely manner that I was happy with.
Ritafee
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@ChemGal ...
You can't handle the truth! (Jack Nicholson) - YouTube
The only way most people measure truth these days is by the amount of faith they have in who is telling the story. Often their truth comes from just one newspaper or one television news program that they follow without question. Despite this narrow conduit of knowledge they will defend that truth to the bitter end against all hard-earned research on the internet and suddenly you are being described by them to others as a conspiracy theorist.
And so to chemtrails. We all know that the weather isn’t right, the sky is white or grey blue most of the time, there are droughts or floods and the trees are dying. The sunshine is lovely when we get it – but then it’s too hot. We all complain but it gets blamed on ‘global warming’ or ‘climate change’ and we’ve been persuaded to believe that it’s ‘all your fault’ – it isn’t!
You can't handle the truth! (Jack Nicholson) - YouTube
The only way most people measure truth these days is by the amount of faith they have in who is telling the story. Often their truth comes from just one newspaper or one television news program that they follow without question. Despite this narrow conduit of knowledge they will defend that truth to the bitter end against all hard-earned research on the internet and suddenly you are being described by them to others as a conspiracy theorist.
And so to chemtrails. We all know that the weather isn’t right, the sky is white or grey blue most of the time, there are droughts or floods and the trees are dying. The sunshine is lovely when we get it – but then it’s too hot. We all complain but it gets blamed on ‘global warming’ or ‘climate change’ and we’ve been persuaded to believe that it’s ‘all your fault’ – it isn’t!
ChemGal
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You didn't answer the question.
It's not a single issue, it's many.
the hole in that theory is that whoever's deliberately controlling the weather, supposedly, also has to live with it. I'm sure there are experiments we don't know about, but deliberately messing with the entire global climate to cause lasting harm is suicidal for anyone supposedly doing it, and their families' futures. Climate change denial is more likely, because people don't want to believe they are doing or have done lasting harm. Or, find it easier to say it's all an act of God. That they're sticking their heads in the sand about collective responsibility is more likely.
If people think there's a conspiracy about population control...I doubt that too, actually, because the rebuilding after a major weather disaster just costs too much money - screws up the stock market, messes with the economy, slows tourism and industry. Do you think they want that?
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Ritafee
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I don't think you want answers ... but if you do ... as I pointed out before ...
Dane Wigington is the lead researcher for www.geoengineeringwatch.org and has investigated all levels of geoengineering from chemtrails to HAARP. Dane has appeared on an extensive number of interviews to explain the environmental dangers we face on a global level.
Well, this is a first. A farmer carved the words "Anybody but Harper" into his field.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/0...eld_n_8101054.html?utm_hp_ref=canada-politics
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/0...eld_n_8101054.html?utm_hp_ref=canada-politics
GordW
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While that message may be new the concept is not. Decades ago an Albertan farmer had a field which read EEE in support of Senate reform
First time I'd seen a political message in a farmer's field, I suppose I meant. Also, it shows the intensity building of how many really want change. Moreso than any election I remember (but maybe some others do).
revjohn
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While I was serving in the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams (PC) ran a very vocal "Anybody But Conservative" campaign. For a while it was successful enough to keep Conservatives off the board until returns for the Maritime Provinces were counted.
This is something different. Apparently there is still brand loyalty but folk are beginning to think that Harper doesn't represent the brand. That is bad news for the Conservative Party of Canada if that is the case.
This is something different. Apparently there is still brand loyalty but folk are beginning to think that Harper doesn't represent the brand. That is bad news for the Conservative Party of Canada if that is the case.
BetteTheRed
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For this election, one would hope so. When one of the 'natural governing' parties gets this far out of whack, time for a reframe. They'll need to add Progressive back into their name and ditch Harper to re-position themselves after the rout, I think.
revjohn
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BetteTheRed said:
Well, one could argue that the qualify as "progressive" because this is what the party has evolved into. Canada had enough of the Conservative brand when Brian Mulrooney served as PM. He jumped ship and let Kim Campbell take the fall for that political unrest. Campbell goes into the election with 156 seats and comes out with 2. The Conservative party goes on the endangered species list while the Block goes on to become the loyal opposition and the Reform Party becomes the #3 party. Jean Charest, in the next election holds onto those 2 seats but can't find a third meanwhile Reform edges out the Block to become the loyal opposition. Then things on the political right enter into the skullduggery phase and there is the formation of the Conservative Reform Alliance Party (wisely shortened to Alliance) which becomes the loyal opposition but Joe Who has taken the Conservative remnant from two seats to 12. Finally we see the name Conservative back as the loyal opposition under Harper and we remember the knife in the back of David Orchard to a more Machiavellian foe.
Even though they dropped the term Progressive they certainly have been advancing their ideology (which is progress after a fashion). You don't have to like where progress actually goes.
And certainly I am not at all fond of what our current Canadian government has chosen to move forward, namely the partisan gamesmanship the routinely decried in opposition.
Unless I am very much mistaken we've seen more of it through the Duffy scandal than most loyal conservative voting base than we are happy with. Whether they will be able to swallow more of Harper et al doing the same or whether they wish for something new remains to be seen.
I'm confused. A Conservative premier ran an "anybody but Conservative" campaign?
GordW
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yep. he did not like the way his federal counterparts were handling things
revjohn
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Kimmio said:
Exactly. What kind of message does that send?
Well according to Premier Williams and Federal Government that wasn't going to let a Province benefit from natural resources in the Province's geographical bounds was a Federal Government hostile to the Province he served.
Premier Williams also took on Big Oil and won getting a better deal for the Oil reserves the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador sits on.
Premier Williams also took issue with the General Disrespect that his Federal counterparts showed for Newfoundland and Labrador as well as the Maritimes. Anybody remember the "Culture of Defeat" comment? I do. Trying to paint Newfoundlanders as habitually on Employment Insurance (and therefore Welfare Bums) when the Feds were limiting fish catch quotas and ignoring the fact that almost a whole generation of Newfoundlanders was out sweating in Alberta's oil-patch was tremendously disrespectful.
http://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/episod...liams-stephen-harper-is-a-nasty-man-1.3035649
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anything_But_Conservative