And they're off...the election thread

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If it's largely rural, it's likely to have a tendency to vote Conservative. If that displeases you, you may have to lodge a "anything but Con" vote with whatever candidate has a chance of beating the Con candidate.

(Edited to add that I may have to do some serious nose-holding of my own over my own vote; new ridings here, as well.)
I do think there are parties worse than the Cons!
Rural in land is also different than the population.
Like I said, for me, it's going to be about the individual candidates. I know little about them at this point. Even when I thought I was in another riding I knew little except for one person I respect and I think has a good chance of winning. The riding I resided in during the last election was completely different.
 
Obviously a conservative govt is the best we could hope for in Alberta. If we get ndp our economy will be destroyed, the only consolation we will get will be knowing the east will be paying double to triple to heat their homes and drive their cars. So next best will be Trudeau, at least with him we'll be able to buy cheap pot at the 7-11 to stay numb while everybody gets laid off from their engineering positions to fight over scarce $15 burger flipping positions. Wonder why Preston Manning hasn't jumped up with a western Canada separatist party? B.C. will get a small influx of AB cash, as everybody who gets a severance package will take it and open franchises in BC and try to be first out before our house prices crater.
 
Obviously a conservative govt is the best we could hope for in Alberta. If we get ndp our economy will be destroyed, the only consolation we will get will be knowing the east will be paying double to triple to heat their homes and drive their cars. So next best will be Trudeau, at least with him we'll be able to buy cheap pot at the 7-11 to stay numb while everybody gets laid off from their engineering positions to fight over scarce $15 burger flipping positions. Wonder why Preston Manning hasn't jumped up with a western Canada separatist party? B.C. will get a small influx of AB cash, as everybody who gets a severance package will take it and open franchises in BC and try to be first out before our house prices crater.

As I understand it Pontifex, under the Conservatives' watch our nation is now on the verge of a recession.
 
PG-13, I think you're wrong on a bunch of levels. You have a NDP gov provincially. Sure, your economy is tanking; that's what happens in capitalism in resource-based economies.

We need to pursue green energy, green technology, sustainable and productive agriculture in the face of climate change and rising sea levels.

One of the reasons that dirty oilsands technology has just taken an extra hit is the permit to drill in the Arctic Ocean - a much more accessible carbon resource.
 
As I understand it Pontifex, under the Conservatives' watch our nation is now on the verge of a recession.

And we should be maximizing the weakness of our dollar by HUGELY promoting tourism, both internal and external. Make Algonquin Park the next hot destination wedding spot, not the Caribbean. Clean up our tar sands. Become a large clean green Iceland type place.
 
If the conservatives win, Canada is over. Just wait till you see the terms of the transpacific trade deal.
If the Liberals win, it will be almost as bad because Trudeau has no political philosophy of any sort, and the Liberal party has been without talent for many years now.
If the NDP wins, it will be limited in what it can do. It has moved close to the centre. The result is a Canada which has not the faintest idea what is happening to it, and an NDP government, in that atmosphere, wouldn't have the backing it needs for the changes we need.

By the way, in North American governments, right wing parties have a record of being the wildest in spending. Left-wing ones are much easier on the pocketbook. That's not a wild guess. There are studies on it.

I'm watching this election with great fear. It looks as though nobody can get a majority. And Trudeau will almost certainly throw his support to Harper. And good-bye Canada. I don't exaggerate.
 
Obviously a conservative govt is the best we could hope for in Alberta. If we get ndp our economy will be destroyed, the only consolation we will get will be knowing the east will be paying double to triple to heat their homes and drive their cars. So next best will be Trudeau, at least with him we'll be able to buy cheap pot at the 7-11 to stay numb while everybody gets laid off from their engineering positions to fight over scarce $15 burger flipping positions. Wonder why Preston Manning hasn't jumped up with a western Canada separatist party? B.C. will get a small influx of AB cash, as everybody who gets a severance package will take it and open franchises in BC and try to be first out before our house prices crater.
I am going to call BS on this interpretation....largely because the control over the economy no longer lies with provincial and federal governments.

NOt to mention that provincial NDP governments have proven no more likely to wrosen an economy than any other party (and some stats suggest they actually run lower deficits and have more growth, but again governments have little control over economic growth or shrinkage.
 
If the Liberals win, it will be almost as bad because Trudeau has no political philosophy of any sort, and the Liberal party has been without talent for many years now.

I like our local Liberal candidate here in Etobicoke Center, Borys Weshneshnooshkaky.
 
I am going to call BS on this interpretation....largely because the control over the economy no longer lies with provincial and federal governments.

NOt to mention that provincial NDP governments have proven no more likely to wrosen an economy than any other party (and some stats suggest they actually run lower deficits and have more growth, but again governments have little control over economic growth or shrinkage.

Economy is unmanageable in the hands of IN DUST REALISTS ... no essence of expanded thoughts toem ...
 
Capitalism, despite the myths has never created prosperity It exists to take money, not to give it. That's why it like free trade agreements that let it move its work to countries with cheap labour. In the process, it also depresses wages in its home countries. uncounted Billions were made out of the Alberta oil boom. But almost all of it went to the oil companies - and whatever prosperity Alberta got was really short term.
As well, capitalism cost us (counting the U.S.) trillions for its wars. That's money the tax payers get the bill for. In any base, major capitalists don't pay much in the way of taxes. Many billions of Canadian dollars are in secret bank accounts in Bermuda, Luxembourg, etc.

In all of Canadian history, there was only one, brief period of some prosperity - from late 1939 to the 1960s. that was true because of governments' controls on capitalism. But Mulroney and Reagan and Thatcher got rid of that sort of thing. The wage gap is now the biggest it has ever been.

To get an idea of the real Canada of most of our history, read Terry Copp, The Anatomy of Poverty.
Canadian business practices have always been vile. Right now, Canadian owners control mines in Central American and Congo that employ children as young as five, that pay as little as two dollars a day, that poison the environment for centuries to come. In Guatemala, they were involved in the mass murder of some 300,000 Guatemalan men, women and children - as well as large numbers of clergy who supported the workers. It didn't make our newspapers because they're all owned by the same kind of people. The only record I know of it is a film at National Film Board. (I also met the doctor who did an autopsy of a Canadian lay missionary who was tortured to death.)

Not a single news medium in North America ran that story. (The New York Times very briefly and incompletely ran a sort of story when Clinton apologized for it - without saying what it was. You might get it by googling Clinton, Guatemala, apology, 1998 or, possibly, 1999.)

There are only a handful of news outlets in the world that one can trust - notably "The Guardian", the Israeli "Haaretz", and 'Aljazeera". And, no, you can't trust BBC news. You can trust CBC. It is the only major news medium in North America that is honest. The catch is that it's running scared of Harper selling it off. And he will.

I had some thirty years of experience in TV, radio and print. And I taught journalism to working journalists in Hong Kong. So I know the rules of the game.
 
Alas, any media is denied when dealing with extremes ... polity?

If you ignore the medium will the thinking part fail? It is said if you don't use it ... ewe Luce it and it pops us elsewhere, so you cannot understand easily!

AS part of the In*Dust*Real Complex ... can it be considered simple as a hinds end ... cow butt?

How does one hide intelligence ... devilishly, or in pure satyr ... the enemy? Gotta love eM!
 
I should add that I have a limited enthusiasm for all the parties I like the NDP because I 'm an old CCFer. But I think it has become far, far too mainstream. Of course, if it weren't mainstream, nobody would vote for it.

We are facing one hell of set of crises. I don't think any party is ready to deal with them. And, as a father of these crises, I'm sure Harper doesn't intend ever to deal with them.
 
Is mainstream like medium ... not that hot about correcting past Eyre's in wisdom?

Can one learn without eM? Yet humanity is a bit slow ... hermeneutic? When it comes is one out of ID ...
 
Mendalla said:
So, here's the election thread.


To early to call. I remember the last provincial election in ON when the guy who started out front managed to shoot himself in the foot and scuttle his own campaign against a seriously messed up governing party. And then there was that dynasty ending election in Alberta where once again a leader shot themselves in the foot.

Still so many days left for somebody to open their mouth and say something which history remembers as exceedingly foolish and things are pretty close among the three perennial contenders.

Apart from that I wonder,

Who is ever ready to be the PM? We gave that job to some Steve guy with no positional experience (of course some would point out the folly of that decision.

I find it rich that a government which cannot balance a budget would dare open their mouth and ask what any of their opponents would know about balancing a budget.

I find it depressingly sad that those same opponents never respond that cutting revenues and increasing expenditures is a surefire way to unbalance a budget.

More than that I find that most folk are so partisan in their political outlook that they cannot see anything but virtue in their party of preference and nothing but vice in the parties they compete against.

I don't think many think about elections anymore they are so invested in what they feel about them.
 
Quite agreed.

A good 80% of the population doesn't follow events in any serious way. They simply don't have a clue. Or they vote on the basis of a single issue or, more likely, they vote for whatever party they have always voted for.

There are serious and fundamental problems with democracy. It has long since ceased to exist in the U.S. - and it's not healthy here.
 
But even if one does, Graeme, it's often the case that one has one sign on one's lawn, a secret sympathy for a 2nd party and votes for another.
 
Is a second sympathy like a Ti empania or just timpani as the drum rolls ...

There are many polities with foot in mouth and not a thought elsewhere ... just listen to the media on the uncertainty theories about Senatorial knowing and misconception ... listen profoundly ... observe adepts ... these are invisible to the bulk ... an inside issue?
 
New BC poll: support for NDP 41%, Libs 24%, Tories 22%, and Greens 12% (the Greens' numbers have been high specifically on Vancouver Island but not necessarily everywhere else in BC)

That's a pretty wide margin for the NDP out here, and Tories are 3rd which up until recently (I think, if I'm not mistaken) were first or second depending on the poll. My understanding was that the Cons/ NDP support had been pretty evenly split.

And of course BC will be the last to the polls in Oct.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/canada/british-columbia/story/1.3203207#
 
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