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Pr. Jae said:
The current model ChemGal? Which is what - the drug companies make the drugs and then we pay for them?

Now, if we're going to have a national pharmacare system, I'd prefer to see everything pharmacies carry paid for by the government.
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In Alberta, if it's administered in a hospital generally you don't pay for it. There are other programs too, like the interprovincial one that pays for my berinert.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Be 65, be on OW, qualify for ODSP. We all qualify for free drugs while we're hospitalized.
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No, I don't think that's correct Bette. I've heard of people who were younger than 65 but were on the Trillium plan. Guess I'll have to search for the information on Bing.
 
Pr. Jae said:
The current model ChemGal? Which is what - the drug companies make the drugs and then we pay for them?

Now, if we're going to have a national pharmacare system, I'd prefer to see everything pharmacies carry paid for by the government.
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Are you not trying to say "anything prescribed by a health care practitioner?" How would you define an eligible practitioner? What do you do about generic versus brand names?
 
BetteTheRed said:
Are you not trying to say "anything prescribed by a health care practitioner?" How would you define an eligible practitioner? What do you do about generic versus brand names?
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Anything prescribed by a health care practitioner - but not limited to standard medical care. Anything prescribed by a traditional or holistic practitioner as well. In my mind, generic drugs should come before name brands, with the name brands paid for by the pharmacare plan at any time generics are not available.
 
That sounds very irresponsible, and most un-conservative to me.

I was talking to my daughter tonight about the difference between my DCM (Doctor of Chinese Medicine) and the one patronized by her guy's Mom. Mine seems considerably more trustworthy than hers.
 
Pr. Jae said:
Anything prescribed by a health care practitioner - but not limited to standard medical care. Anything prescribed by a traditional or holistic practitioner as well. In my mind, generic drugs should come before name brands, with the name brands paid for by the pharmacare plan at any time generics are not available.
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But if there's a universal pharmacare program, then there is no-one buying the brand names as soon as they come off patent. Think about that one; it has interesting economic consequences to Research and Development. Right now, because we've impoverished and muzzled government R&D, it means that really important stuff, like keeping ahead of antibiotic resistance, can be not the priority it should be.
 
but where does the money come from. In ontario seniors dont pay. I thinkthey pay $100 annually for drugs or something. But many can afford it so why?. Seniors are one of the wealthiest groups in canada. Far wealthier than 25-35 year olds but they get free drugs??
 
BetteTheRed said:
That sounds very irresponsible, and most un-conservative to me.

I was talking to my daughter tonight about the difference between my DCM (Doctor of Chinese Medicine) and the one patronized by her guy's Mom. Mine seems considerably more trustworthy than hers.
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So... where do you see the irresponsibility then?
 
BetteTheRed said:
But if there's a universal pharmacare program, then there is no-one buying the brand names as soon as they come off patent. Think about that one; it has interesting economic consequences to Research and Development. Right now, because we've impoverished and muzzled government R&D, it means that really important stuff, like keeping ahead of antibiotic resistance, can be not the priority it should be.
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So you're saying there should be more government R&D? I can support that.
 
And that's why prioritizing what works over what doesn't should be paramount. Clearly, for instance, Chemgal's regimen works as it should. To look closer at: cardio maintenance stuff like cholesterol lowering drugs, drug versus talk/CBT therapy for some mental illness, also, lets not pretend that lots of herbal/homeopaathic stuff is clearly crap.
 
BetteTheRed said:
And that's why prioritizing what works over what doesn't should be paramount. Clearly, for instance, Chemgal's regimen works as it should. To look closer at: cardio maintenance stuff like cholesterol lowering drugs, drug versus talk/CBT therapy for some mental illness, also, lets not pretend that lots of herbal/homeopaathic stuff is clearly crap.
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Agreed, but not everything that works is standard western medicine.
 
Absolutely. My own DCM knows my whole body, and my general state of health, far better than the Nurse-Practitioner attached to my Doctor's office, who knows me far better than the GP to whom I'm attached.
 
Once you ponder this thread ... thinking appears to be like a poke in a very dark pig ... and those that love will do as they will ... in the right direction for their perspective of course ...

Then you're into the fat of rich, powerful professionals ... who stifled R&D! Such is known as efficiency of scale ...
 
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*sigh* I thought I had a great local candidate I could vote for. My area has been kicked out of one of the ridings that consisted of an area only within the city though, and it now in one that land-wise is mostly rural. I don't even know the current MP.

Not impressed with any party leader, so right now I'm completely clueless as to how I will vote.

ETA: Strike that, it did contain an area outside the city, but it was much smaller. The provincial and former federal riding I was in used to be fairly similar.
The riding I will be voting in seems to be entirely new, but I think I need to see a better map of the ones from the last election.
 
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ChemGal said:
*sigh* I thought I had a great local candidate I could vote for. My area has been kicked out of one of the ridings that consisted of an area only within the city though, and it now in one that land-wise is mostly rural. I don't even know the current MP.

Not impressed with any party leader, so right now I'm completely clueless as to how I will vote.

ETA: Strike that, it did contain an area outside the city, but it was much smaller. The provincial and former federal riding I was in used to be fairly similar.
The riding I will be voting in seems to be entirely new, but I think I need to see a better map of the ones from the last election.
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If it's largely rural, it's likely to have a tendency to vote Conservative. If that displeases you, you may have to lodge a "anything but Con" vote with whatever candidate has a chance of beating the Con candidate.

(Edited to add that I may have to do some serious nose-holding of my own over my own vote; new ridings here, as well.)
 
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