An hypothetical regarding Hell

[Jaebius]

A temporary place of refinement (up to one year) is a common view of Hell in present day Judaism. It is an opportunity to get right with God rather than a location for eternal torment.

Jesus, the NT tells us, descended into Hell for three days. This came up on one of the bible study threads. Some of our members argued that Jesus was there to save souls or for recruitment purposes.

I prefer the interpretation that even Jesus benefited from a short time of reflection about his conduct.

Hell, I believe, is a place of eternal separation from God. My view's rooted in Scripture, which emphasises Hell's eternal nature.

About Jesus’ descent into Hell, the Apostles’ Creed states, “He descended into Hell.” This phrase signifies his victory over sin.

The idea that Jesus needed a time of reflection about his conduct's not consistent with my beliefs. Jesus is God's sinless Son, fully obedient to God the Father. His descent into Hell was for our rescue. It was a show of his love, ensuring that we who believe in him wouldn't have to endure Hell.

As for the notion that Jesus was in Hell to save souls, I hold that Jesus’ redemptive work was completed on the cross when He declared, “It is finished” (John 19:30). His descent into Hell was part of his victory over darkness

 

[paradox3]

I was trying to say up thread that there are different views of Hell within the Christian tradition. (Here we see that!)

Ditto for salvation. It is certainly possible to find biblical support for universal salvation. And Universalism is not monolithic either.

But we have discussed this many times already.

 

[Jaebius]

I was trying to say up thread that there are different views of Hell within the Christian tradition. (Here we see that!)

Ditto for salvation. It is certainly possible to find biblical support for universal salvation. And Universalism is not monolithic either.

But we have discussed this many times already.

My grasp of Hell and rescue's rooted in Scripture.

I believe in Hell's reality as a place of eternal separation from God for those who reject him.

As for rescue, I hold to particular redemption. I affirm that Christ’s atonement's effectual for the elect, those of us whom God has chosen from eternity.

Universalism isn't consistent with my grasp of Scripture. I believe that rescue's through faith in Christ alone, and that not all will be saved

 

[Waterfall]

My grasp of Hell and rescue's rooted in Scripture.

I believe in Hell's reality as a place of eternal separation from God for those who reject him.

As for rescue, I hold to particular redemption. I affirm that Christ’s atonement's effectual for the elect, those of us whom God has chosen from eternity.

Universalism isn't consistent with my grasp of Scripture. I believe that rescue's through faith in Christ alone, and that not all will be saved

Scripture has Jesus talking about Gehenna not Hell, but it was translated into the English word hell. Maybe look up Gehenna to know what Jesus meant....?

 

[Pavlos Maros]

Scripture has Jesus talking about Gehenna not Hell, but it was translated into the English word hell. Maybe look up Gehenna to know what Jesus meant....?

I think Jae considers hell and gehenna to be the same, given his description of it. He believes the damned are destined for gehenna/hell given his post #43

 

[Pavlos Maros]

I believe in Hell's reality as a place of eternal separation from God for those who reject him.

So we are back to the original post. If you think the damned, I.E. Those who reject god are going to heaven with you, would you be happy with that?

 

[Waterfall]

I think Jae considers hell and gehenna to be the same, given his description of it. He believes the damned are destined for gehenna/hell given his post #43

I can't fight that....it's better to use a Jewish reference for Gehenna IMO, as the NT wasn't around yet when Jesus spoke. But I'm sure Jay will find many Christian sites that will support his viewpoint.
His position is well researched through Christianity.
Hey it's a free world....I could be wrong...we all have our reasonings.

 

[Luce NDs]

A lot of heavenly wishes for a peaceful spot may be dissatisfied ... especially with the logical ambiguity! How else could the great mystery keep the physical world a bit out of phase ... sort of like an amphibole! Aye ... that's a word!

 

[Jaebius]

Scripture has Jesus talking about Gehenna not Hell, but it was translated into the English word hell. Maybe look up Gehenna to know what Jesus meant....?

Gehenna originally referred to the Hinnom Valley, a place outside Jerusalem associated with idolatry in the OT. By Jesus's time it'd become a symbol of divine judgment.

Jesus used Gehenna to emphasise divine judgment's reality

 

[Jaebius]

I think Jae considers hell and gehenna to be the same, given his description of it. He believes the damned are destined for gehenna/hell given his post #43

Consider “hell” and “Gehenna” to be synonymsous referring to the damned's final destination.

The term “Gehenna” originates from the Hinnom Valley, a place outside Jerusalem associated with idolatry in the OT. In the NT, Jesus uses the term to describe a place of final judgment. This aligns with Hell as a state of eternal separation from God, reserved for those who reject him

 

[Waterfall]

Gehenna originally referred to the Hinnom Valley, a place outside Jerusalem associated with idolatry in the OT. By Jesus's time it'd become a symbol of divine judgment.

Jesus used Gehenna to emphasise divine judgment's reality

A metaphor? Describing eternal punishment, eternal sleep or something else?
You don't have to convince me, you can choose for yourself.

 

[Jaebius]

So we are back to the original post. If you think the damned, I.E. Those who reject god are going to heaven with you, would you be happy with that?

Believe that heaven's reserved for those who've accepted God’s grace through faith in Christ. The Bible teaches that rescue's a gift from God, given to those who believe in him.

The concept of the damned entering heaven contradicts judgment's biblical grasping. According to Scripture, those who reject God and his offer of rescue through Christ face eternal separation from him.

This doctrine underscores the importance of us Christians sharing the Good News and living out our faith. Our hope's that all people come to know God, thereby fixing their place in heaven

 

[BetteTheRed]

Is it possible to separate a belief in heaven from "wishful thinking"?

(And honestly, Jae, I'm not terribly interested in your chatBot's answer. Hint: look at the bot's use of possessives and contractions; it's wyrd and unlike your previous posting style.)

 

[Jaebius]

I can't fight that....it's better to use a Jewish reference for Gehenna IMO, as the NT wasn't around yet when Jesus spoke. But I'm sure Jay will find many Christian sites that will support his viewpoint.
His position is well researched through Christianity.
Hey it's a free world....I could be wrong...we all have our reasonings.

Interpret Jesus’ teachings through the NT's lens, which provides a fuller revelation of God’s plan for rescue. The NT writings help us to grasp the significance of Jesus’ words in the broader context of God’s redemptive work.

I believe that the NT offers essential insights that can't be overlooked. It's through the combined grasping of the Old and the New that I apply Jesus’ teachings to my life today

 

[Jaebius]

A metaphor? Describing eternal punishment, eternal sleep or something else?
You don't have to convince me, you can choose for yourself.

Believe in the importance of carefully interpreting Scripture. The concept of eternal punishment's a challenging one.

Let's recognise the hope offered through Christ. The NT provides a clear message of rescue for those who trust in Christ. My focus is on God's grace, which's available to all

 

[Jaebius]

Is it possible to separate a belief in heaven from "wishful thinking"?

(And honestly, Jae, I'm not terribly interested in your chatBot's answer. Hint: look at the bot's use of possessives and contractions; it's wyrd and unlike your previous posting style.)

Since that's what you think I have to share, and thus don't want it, I'll give no true response here Writing styles change over time, Bette

 

[paradox3]

I have been finding the frequent use of "grasp" and "grasping" in your posts a little odd @Jae

Your writing style is different and many around here suspect computer generation. I don't know enough to say but the grasp thing has been jumping out at me.

 

[Jaebius]

I have been finding the frequent use of "grasp" and "grasping" in your posts a little odd @Jae

Your writing style is different and many around here suspect computer generation. I don't know enough to say but the grasp thing has been jumping out at me.

That's fair comment, P3, thank you. "Grasp" is just a word I started using here in Korea because it allowed me to write shorter sentences in my sermons. Shorter sentences are easier for my congregation, the vast majority of whom have English as their second language. It's pretty much also the reason I began speaking of "friendship" with God rather than covenental relationship with him, and "rescue" rather than salvation. As to what a few of the people here suspect about me and my writing style, I have no control over that

 

[Pavlos Maros]

Believe that heaven's reserved for those who've accepted God’s grace through faith in Christ. The Bible teaches that rescue's a gift from God, given to those who believe in him.

The concept of the damned entering heaven contradicts judgment's biblical grasping. According to Scripture, those who reject God and his offer of rescue through Christ face eternal separation from him.

This doctrine underscores the importance of us Christians sharing the Good News and living out our faith. Our hope's that all people come to know God, thereby fixing their place in heaven

Whilst you believe that heaven is reserved only for those who accept god's grace, it is important to recognise that interpretations of Scripture vary widely. Some christian traditions argue that god's love and grace are all-encompassing and that all souls will be reconciled with God, regardless of their faith during their lifetime.
Doesn't it say in 1 Timothy 2:4 that god desires all people to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth, after that? That suggests that your gods grace extends beyond the limits of your understanding and religious boundaries. the message of jesus in this instant is redemption for all. And not simply people like you. A broader view that encourages inclusivity and compassion, which your above post lacks.

 

[Jaebius]

Whilst you believe that heaven is reserved only for those who accept god's grace, it is important to recognise that interpretations of Scripture vary widely. Some christian traditions argue that god's love and grace are all-encompassing and that all souls will be reconciled with God, regardless of their faith during their lifetime.
Doesn't it say in 1 Timothy 2:4 that god desires all people to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth, after that? That suggests that your gods grace extends beyond the limits of your understanding and religious boundaries. the message of jesus in this instant is redemption for all. And not simply people like you. A broader view that encourages inclusivity and compassion, which your above post lacks.

Hold that rescue's a gift from God, granted through faith in Christ alone. I believe in God's kingship and predestination.

About 1 Timothy 2:4, my interpretation grasps it as expressing God’s general will, rather than a guarantee of universal rescue. God's grace is specific in its application through faith in Christ