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[unsafe]

Jon71 -----

There is only one question for you ----Do you believe God's word about the fall of mankind -----all other groups are in the Bible if you want to look ---Here is one ---- Perversity--which is listed under INIQUITY -- Leviticous 18 ---LISTS all sexual rules here is an example verse 23 ---AMP V ----18:23 Neither shall you lie with any beast and defile yourself with it; neither shall any woman yield herself to a beast to lie with it; it is confusion, perversion, {and} degradedly carnal. --- Verse 22 just above--- is this 18:22 You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination----

I believe God's word and the passing down of iniquity ----If you DON'T then you will believe that the 2 verses above have not negative meaning and or they are not relevant today and will say it is a blessing f rom God ----I believe different ----.----obviously you did not read and probably won't read this -

http://www.greatbiblestudy.com/generational_curses.php --------
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Have you ever seen a family where the father has a problem with uncontrollable anger, his son seems to have been 'handed it', and the grandpa had the same problem? Or have you noticed that not only do you suffer from something such as persistent irrational fears or depression, but your mother and her father also suffered from it as well? There are many people today who are living under bondage that the sins of their forefathers has brought them under.
Exodus 34:7, "Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting (punishing) the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation."

Some common symptoms of generational curses are family illnesses that seem to just walk from one person down to the next (cancer is a common physical manifestation of a spiritual bondage), continual financial difficulties (they continually hit roadblocks in their finances), mental problems, persistent irrational fears and depression. Anything that seems to be a persistent struggle or problem that was handed down from one generation to another may very well be a generational curse.

So what you want to believe is a personal choice ------you can discard all this all you want to and say it is rubbish ----it makes no difference to me I believe the Nature of the sin Iniquity can be and is passed on ----I am OK with your belief ---you don't seem to be OK with my belief -----

Under Iniquity ---is perversity----and depravity ---

Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew Lexicon: /
‛âvôn
1) perversity, depravity, iniquity, guilt or punishment of iniquity
1a) iniquity
1b) guilt of iniquity, guilt (as great), guilt (of condition)
1c) consequence of or punishment for iniquity
Part of Speech:noun masculine
Relation:from H5753

 

[Luce NDs]

Injury is a sin ... no matter who you practice on with your weapons of reaction ... do no harm --- A'mon!

 

[BetteTheRed]

Jon71 -----

There is only one question for you ----Do you believe God's word about the fall of mankind -----all other groups are in the Bible if you want to look ---Here is one ---- Perversity--which is listed under INIQUITY -- Leviticous 18 ---LISTS all sexual rules here is an example verse 23 ---AMP V ----18:23 Neither shall you lie with any beast and defile yourself with it; neither shall any woman yield herself to a beast to lie with it; it is confusion, perversion, {and} degradedly carnal. --- Verse 22 just above--- is this 18:22 You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination----

I believe God's word and the passing down of iniquity ----If you DON'T then you will believe that the 2 verses above have not negative meaning and or they are not relevant today and will say it is a blessing f rom God ----I believe different ----.----obviously you did not read and probably won't read this -

http://www.greatbiblestudy.com/generational_curses.php --------
Home > Generational Curses
Have you ever seen a family where the father has a problem with uncontrollable anger, his son seems to have been 'handed it', and the grandpa had the same problem? Or have you noticed that not only do you suffer from something such as persistent irrational fears or depression, but your mother and her father also suffered from it as well? There are many people today who are living under bondage that the sins of their forefathers has brought them under.
Exodus 34:7, "Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting (punishing) the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation."

Some common symptoms of generational curses are family illnesses that seem to just walk from one person down to the next (cancer is a common physical manifestation of a spiritual bondage), continual financial difficulties (they continually hit roadblocks in their finances), mental problems, persistent irrational fears and depression. Anything that seems to be a persistent struggle or problem that was handed down from one generation to another may very well be a generational curse.

So what you want to believe is a personal choice ------you can discard all this all you want to and say it is rubbish ----it makes no difference to me I believe the Nature of the sin Iniquity can be and is passed on ----I am OK with your belief ---you don't seem to be OK with my belief -----

Under Iniquity ---is perversity----and depravity ---

Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew Lexicon: /
‛âvôn
1) perversity, depravity, iniquity, guilt or punishment of iniquity
1a) iniquity
1b) guilt of iniquity, guilt (as great), guilt (of condition)
1c) consequence of or punishment for iniquity
Part of Speech:noun masculine
Relation:from H5753

Unsafe, that is just a gross post.

It points to the ugliness of on-line interaction.

I frigging double-dog dare you to walk into my town, into a meeting with my very good friend who has been struggling with ovarian cancer for 5 years, and tell her that her condition is caused by a 'generational curse'.

Then you can meet another good friend, whose mother is a frigging saint, and who has been living with recurring bowel cancer for 6 years that her condition is also caused by a generational curse, including the 85 year old mother who is her caregiver.

Do you ever really, really consider the sheer VILENESS of your theology? Stinks worse than what my dog rolled in this a.m.

 

[Jaebius]

Unsafe, that is just a gross post.

It points to the ugliness of on-line interaction.

I frigging double-dog dare you to walk into my town, into a meeting with my very good friend who has been struggling with ovarian cancer for 5 years, and tell her that her condition is caused by a 'generational curse'.

Then you can meet another good friend, whose mother is a frigging saint, and who has been living with recurring bowel cancer for 6 years that her condition is also caused by a generational curse, including the 85 year old mother who is her caregiver.

Do you ever really, really consider the sheer VILENESS of your theology? Stinks worse than what my dog rolled in this a.m.

Bette, I feel such theology is most often a part of the health and wealth gospel. It goes like, "Accept Jesus into your heart and he will lift all generational curses from you. Health and wealth will come flowing in for you." A real snake oil sales job.

 

[unsafe]

I will say it again ----I believe that Iniquity is passed on from one generation to another ---that is my belief ------If I personally had of known this in my teens ---it would have changed the way I thought and relieved my confusion as to my gender identity ----Period ----When I accepted Jesus Then and only then was the Iniquity dealt with ------The fall of man ---the sin Nature ---Iniquity that is the nature of the sin being passed down from generation to generation--has nothing to do with the people who preach prosperity ---Homosexuality has nothing to do with preaching prosperity ------it is for me all about --the fall of man ----the Sin Nature and Iniquity -----that Jesus paid the Price for us to remove it and free us from its bondage -----

Confusion comes under the curse -----Deuteronomy 28 -----
Curses on Disobedience

20 TheLordwill send on you curses,(AF)confusion and rebuke(AG)in everything you put your hand to, until you are destroyed and come to sudden ruin(AH)because of the evil(AI)you have done in forsaking him

The Curse is an empowerment to fail ---------The Blessing is an empowerment to succeed ---------

Blessings for Obedience

8 The Lord will send a blessing on your barns and on everything you put your hand to. The Lord your God will bless(K)you in the land he is giving you.

The price for generational curses has been paid! -----this is from the same article ----

The good news is that once you accept Jesus, the transference of bondage stops from your ancestors by means of generational curses. You can no longer receive spiritual bondages in this manner from your parents once you accept Jesus!
Christ was made a curse, so we can be freed from the curses that sin (both our sins and those of our forefathers) has brought us. Galatians 3:13, "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:"
Once you become a child of God, no longer will the sins of your forefathers cause curses to transfer into your life: Jeremiah 31:29-30

 

[chansen]

What were people expecting unsafe to say? She believes in hateful, stupid things, like multi-generational curses from a "loving" God. She has always written this. And while you may disagree with her biblical interpretation which lead her to this belief, it remains one possible message to extract from the bible. If your reply is that it isn't a proper interpretation, realize that these are very popular, improper interpretations. So it really doesn't matter if they are correct or not, just that it is very possible to extract these messages from what people keep on telling me is a good book.

And, these are the people the rest of you can not apologize for or make up for fast enough, even if you try. Which I rarely see you trying to do. The crazies have hijacked the public perception of Christianity, and all the "living the faith" you can think of doing doesn't stand out from how nonbelievers live. So the public either sees Christians acting like jerks, or can't find them because they are no better than anyone else.

But mostly, why be surprised by crazy? You know what they are going to say when backed into a corner. When they say what you know they'll say, stop acting surprised.

 

[airclean33]

A couple of weeks ago I saw a segment on "Religion and Ethics Newsweekly" (on PBS) about transgendered people and the church. This included a transgendered man saying that he personally considered being transgendered a blessing from God. While I look at it more matter of factly, as not necessarily either a blessing or a curse, just a fact of life like having hazel eyes or being left handed, if he does view it as a blessing then who can say that for him at least it isn't.

--See Jon71--This what I mean about you . It would seem you don't follow GODS Word much. Like who can say---GOD----
1Pe 2:11 Beloved, I beseech you as aliens and exiles to abstain from the passions of the flesh that wage war against your soul.

 

[Neo]

Personally, I believe Christians to be far, far too obsessed with sin and guilt. The idea that "the fall" is some kind of punishment for disobeying a direct order and that every generation after is guiltily of the same sin is infantile and not shared by any other religion. It's a doctrine, associated with the "ransom theory", that was designed to control an illiterate people with fear.

 

[chansen]

Personally, I believe Christians to be far, far too obsessed with sin and guilt. The idea that "the fall" is some kind of punishment for disobeying a direct order and that every generation after is guiltily of the same sin is infantile and not shared by any other religion. It's a doctrine, associated with the "ransom theory", that was designed to control an illiterate people with fear.

Yeah, but it works. Gotta give the evil authors credit. And are you sure no other religion has that? If that's true, unsafe and ac33 will have one more exclusive thing to hang their hats on.

 

[Neo]

Yeah, but it works. Gotta give the evil authors credit. And are you sure no other religion has that? If that's true, unsafe and ac33 will have one more exclusive thing to hang their hats on.

I don't know of any other religion that first condemns people as guilty at birth and then says that unless you adhere to "their" religion you will be sentenced for that crime to an eternity of everlasting torment in a lake of fire.

This is fear mongering at it's best.

 

[chansen]

That's a little on the specific side.

 

[airclean33]

Unsafe, that is just a gross post.

It points to the ugliness of on-line interaction.

I frigging double-dog dare you to walk into my town, into a meeting with my very good friend who has been struggling with ovarian cancer for 5 years, and tell her that her condition is caused by a 'generational curse'.

Then you can meet another good friend, whose mother is a frigging saint, and who has been living with recurring bowel cancer for 6 years that her condition is also caused by a generational curse, including the 85 year old mother who is her caregiver.

Do you ever really, really consider the sheer VILENESS of your theology? Stinks worse than what my dog rolled in this a.m.

--Really Bette it is to bad you don't believe what GODS Word says.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Really, airclean, it's not too bad at all. I'd have a pretty frigging immoral theology if I took the entire Bible at face value, and it would depress me so much I'd probably commit suicide. I mean, just yuck. Have you got the balls to come over to my house and meet my two friends and tell them about how their cancer is caused by a generational curse?

Again, I say, just yuck. My f***ing dogs have a superior 'theology' to this.

 

[airclean33]

Yeah, but it works. Gotta give the evil authors credit. And are you sure no other religion has that? If that's true, unsafe and ac33 will have one more exclusive thing to hang their hats on.

I will tell you what every other Faith believe, here on earth Chansen , that you don't . THERE IS A GOD.

 

[Neo]

--Really Bette it is to bad you don't believe what GODS Word says.

What you really mean here Airclean, is that it's too bad that Bette doesn't believe how "you" interpret GODS Word. And this distinction is why there are so many Christian denominations in the world, they can't agree on "their" interpretations.

 

[airclean33]

I don't know of any other religion that first condemns people as guilty at birth and then says that unless you adhere to "their" religion you will be sentenced for that crime to an eternity of everlasting torment in a lake of fire.

This is fear mongering at it's best

-- Your not really going to say words, that show , your not Christian are you? Words like you DON'T believe The Bible? GODS Word is fear mongering? Really Neo what a let down.

 

[BetteTheRed]

I will tell you what every other Faith believe, here on earth Chansen , that you don't . THERE IS A GOD.

Well, not exactly, airclean, and we're talking about this on another thread.

Buddhists don't believe in a god, neither do Confucianists. Most of the progressive or process or generative wing of the Christian church don't maintain as necessary belief in "A" "Theistic" "God". If one's faith is panentheistic, then "belief in God" is a bit of a no-brainer. If "God" is simply The Universe and one is a member of this Divinity, then to "disbelieve" in God is to "disbelieve in one's own existence", which is a bit tricky. I mean, unless you want to go all Matrix-y...

 

[airclean33]

What you really mean here Airclean, is that it's too bad that Bette doesn't believe how "you" interpret GODS Word. And this distinction is why there are so many Christian denominations in the world, they can't agree on "their" interpretations.

-- I don't follow any Denominations or belong to any Neo. I belong to The Kingdom Of GOD . But I do have many Brother's and Sister"s who are in them.

 

[airclean33]

Well, not exactly, airclean, and we're talking about this on another thread.

Buddhists don't believe in a god, neither do Confucianists. Most of the progressive or process or generative wing of the Christian church don't maintain as necessary belief in "A" "Theistic" "God". If one's faith is panentheistic, then "belief in God" is a bit of a no-brainer. If "God" is simply The Universe and one is a member of this Divinity, then to "disbelieve" in God is to "disbelieve in one's own existence", which is a bit tricky. I mean, unless you want to go all Matrix-y...

--What ever you or them want to call Him Bette. I just call Him Father. Any time you want to talk about GOD Bette , just bring it on kid. So you believe He is the universe ha I believe He formed it , I don't think it"s him though. You see My GOD is a Living GOD. There would be far more living thing"s there.Just my thought.s

 

[chansen]

I will tell you what every other Faith believe, here on earth Chansen , that you don't . THERE IS A GOD.

Well, if it's in CAPS, it must be true.