Thus we encounter light humus in that which separates us judiciously ... and thus it ges ... what? Yah that alternate thing ... it may stretch across time itself ...
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Thus we encounter light humus in that which separates us judiciously ... and thus it ges ... what? Yah that alternate thing ... it may stretch across time itself ...
If God is the strangest and most widespread item in the perspective of powerful mortals,; can you understand why so many powers fear the stretch instead of appreciating it for the new that it brings as fresh?
In the USA they tell me there is a department of of revenge arising ... out of nothing but a leader that pays no attention to the rules he swears by.
That manifest in some really weird entanglements ... causing breakdown of nations ... busted!
In the USA they tell me there is a department of of revenge arising ... out of nothing but a leader that pays no attention to the rules he swears by.
That manifest in some really weird entanglements ... causing breakdown of nations ... busted!
Jaebius
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To reduce “paradise” to a section of hell, unsafe, is to ignore how Scripture uses the term. Paul in 2 Cor 12:4 equates “paradise” with the highest heaven.
Your claim that the OT saints were excluded because of “sin nature” ignores the substitutionary atonement's reality. The animal sacrifices weren't empty. Heb 9:15 says Christ’s death redeems “the transgressions committed under the first covenant!” That means Abraham, Noah, David etc were saved by Christ’s future work, applied retroactively
Jaebius
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Christ's descent into the “earth's lower parts” (Eph 4:9), unsafe, was to proclaim His win and to apply retroactively the redemption He accomplished.Here is what you need to know Jaebius about where the OT Saints went ----the question is will you believe it or Discard it for your sovereign belief ----from Calvinism ---
From the Berean Bible Society ------Preach the Truth Jaebius so people know where they will end up when they leave this physical word ------God's sovereignty won't save people --
Read all for yourself
Hell, Sheol, Hades, Paradise, and the Grave
There seems to be some confusion about the meaning of Hell and who goes there because of the way the Hebrew word Sheol and the Greek word Hades have been translated in our English Bibles. Since this confusion has led some into an erroneous understanding of what the Bible actually teaches about the ibereanbiblesociety.org
PARADISE
While Paradise is not now a part of Sheol/Hades it will be mentioned here because it was located in Sheol/Hades at one time.
Before the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ everybody who died went to Sheol/Hades, which was at that time divided into at least two compartments.
One was a place of torment while the other was a place of blessing, which was referred to as Abraham’s Bosom (Lk. 16:22-25). As we mentioned before, Tartarus may be a specific place in Sheol/Hades.
We know that Jesus Christ went “into the lower parts of the earth” (Eph. 4:9), that is to Sheol/Hades, “in the heart of the earth,” for three days and nights while his body was in the grave (Mat. 12:40).
The Lord Jesus told the repentant thief that he would join Him in Paradise that same day (Lk. 23:42,43). This tells us that Paradise was located in Sheol/Hades at that time.
We believe that this was the same place referred to as Abraham’s Bosom in Luke 16. However, after Jesus Christ rose from the dead He ascended to the Father, taking the saints who were in Abraham’s Bosom to heaven with Him. Thus, He took “captivity captive” (see Eph. 4:8-10).
That Paradise was moved to heaven is confirmed to us by the Apostle Paul who speaks of a man who was “caught up into Paradise” where he “heard unspeakable words” (II Cor. 12:3,4).
With Jesus Christ’s work complete, the believers who had been confined to Sheol/Hades were now taken to Heaven to wait in God’s presence until the time of their resurrection to enter His Kingdom on Earth.
Since that time, at death all believers go to Paradise in Heaven to await the time of their resurrection. This is true whether they belong to the Kingdom Church of the future or the Body of Christ Church of the present Dispensation of Grace.
Paul’s vision in 2 Cor 12:4 equates Paradise with heaven itself. To insist that Paradise was once a Sheol compartment's to flatten biblical language's richness and to miss salvation history's continuity
Jaebius
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Calvinism, unsafe, confesses Christ’s incarnation, His death. His resurrection. His reign! To accuse it of antichrist spirit's to misapply the text.
Scripture says salvation's of God’s mercy, “It depends on God, who has mercy!” (Rom 9:16). Jesus said, “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws them!” (John 6:44). That's sovereign grace. Without it, none of us would choose Christ (Eph 2:1)
Jaebius
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Salvation or not, unsafe, is God's choice. Rom 9:16 drives the point home, “It depends on God, who's mercy!”
Let's, unsafe, preach the truth that God’s sovereignty's the reason salvation's possible. If it were left to human decision, none would choose Christ (Eph 2:1). Sovereign grace awakens us. Opens our eyes. Has written the names in the Book of Life.
I'll preach God's whole counsel. The cross. Resurrection. God's sovereignty. Heaven. And more
Jaebius
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Redemption, unsafe, is God’s eternal plan.
Notice Paul's stress in Rom 1:16. It's "God’s power!"
John 15:19 makes the same point, “I've chosen you from the world!" Jesus says, "I. chose. you!" That's sovereign grace.
Let's preach, unsafe, that salvation's not about human choice. Only God’s sovereign mercy awakens us. Opens our eyes. Has written our names in the Lamb’s Book of Life. That's why Paul can say, “It depends on God, who's mercy” (Rom 9:16)
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Jaebius
Even though I am not a Fan of your Calvinism view ----it is what you follow and Believe in --and so I say --stick with your belief to the end -----
I will stick Following THE WAY and with what the scriptures say and the guidance of the Holy Spirit in Giving me the Spiritual insight -----and will definitely be posting Hard Scripture that people Hate to have posted and I will post it my way --not your way -----so that people see the Real Truth and can decide for themselves if they want to believe it or not ------giving them free choice as I am not ashamed to preach the Truth ---
If people have a problem with what I post and how I post ---there is an IGNORE Button all they have to do is Press the Button and POOF they are rid of viewing my posts ----
and I am sure I am on ignore from a lot of people here ----I leave that up to God -----I am way passed being in bondage to people and what they think of me or say about me --could care less ---I am more interested in getting God's truth out to very person I can ---and will always correct anyone who posts False Doctrine by posting the Truth straight from God's Word ----which says it is Truth -----and I believe it is Truth
We each have our own Beliefs about Scripture and how we view it -----you view man's spin on God's doctrine ----and I view God's Doctrine straight from His word -----we agree on some things and disagree on many things
And we both have a right to do that -----Good Sparing with a Brother in Christ
Blessing Brother
Jaebius
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If your interpretation, unsafe, denies God’s sovereignty in salvation, then it's incomplete.Jaebius
Even though I am not a Fan of your Calvinism view ----it is what you follow and Believe in --and so I say --stick with your belief to the end -----
I will stick Following THE WAY and with what the scriptures say and the guidance of the Holy Spirit in Giving me the Spiritual insight -----and will definitely be posting Hard Scripture that people Hate to have posted and I will post it my way --not your way -----so that people see the Real Truth and can decide for themselves if they want to believe it or not ------giving them free choice as I am not ashamed to preach the Truth ---
If people have a problem with what I post and how I post ---there is an IGNORE Button all they have to do is Press the Button and POOF they are rid of viewing my posts ----
I am way passed being in bondage to people and what they think of me or say about me --could care less ---I am more interested in getting God's truth out to very person I can ---and will always correct anyone who posts False Doctrine by posting the Truth straight from God's Word ----which says it is Truth -----and I believe it is Truth
We each have our own Beliefs about Scripture and how we view it -----you view man's spin on God's doctrine ----and I view God's Doctrine straight from His word -----we agree on some things and disagree on many things
And we both have a right to do that -----Good Sparing with a Brother in Christ
Blessing Brother
True freedom's found in submitting wholly to God’s revealed truth.
That means holding fast to a young earth creation, because Gen's clear, God created in 6 days.
Those days were real. Historical. Foundational to the Good News.
If death came before sin, the cross's emptied of meaning
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You are right here Jaebius ------but this is after Christ is Resurrected ---because Paul has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and is deemed Clean ---His Sin Nature is now gone and His Spirit is Holy ---He was Sinless in God's eyes
2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows.
3 And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows—
4 was caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible things, things that no one is permitted to tell.
I say -------The OLD Testament Saints were not IN CHRIST -----Their sins were not totally forgiven they were under the law of blood sacrifice and could't be admitted into Heaven ----there was no permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament to make their spirit Holy to get into Heaven -----
There is Not One Scripture that says the Holy Spirit permanently indwelled the OT SAINTS
It is not just my interpretation there Jaebius ----there is Scripture to back it up ----
-but you don't believe the Scripture ------and that says a lot ----
It's Got Questions interpretation TO there Jaebius---with Scripture to ----so we are both Wrong?????? and your interpretation is RIGHT -----COME ON Jaebius -----
Where did Old Testament believers/saints go when they died? | GotQuestions.org
Where did Old Testament believers/saints go when they died? Did Old Testament believers go to Paradise / Hades / Sheol when they died?
www.gotquestions.org
The Old Testament believers went to a place of comfort and rest called “paradise” when they died. The Old Testament taught life after death and that everyone who departed from this life went to a place of conscious existence.
The general term for this place was Sheol, which could be translated “the grave” or “the realm of the dead.”
The wicked were there (Psalm 9:17; 31:17; 49:14; Isaiah 5:14),
and so were the righteous (Genesis 37:35; Job 14:13; Psalm 6:5; 16:10; 88:3; Isaiah 38:10).
The New Testament equivalent of Sheol is Hades. Luke 16:19–31 shows that, prior to Christ’s resurrection, Hades was divided into two realms:
a place of comfort where Lazarus was (Abraham’s bosom or Abraham’s side)
and a place of torment where the rich man was (hell).
Lazarus’s place of comfort is elsewhere called “paradise” (Luke 23:43).
The place of torment is called “Gehenna” in the Greek in Mark 9:45. Between paradise and hell (the two districts of Hades) there was “a great chasm” (Luke 16:26). The fact that no one could cross this chasm indicates that, after death, one’s fate is sealed.
Today, when an unbeliever dies, he follows the Old Testament unbelievers to the torment side of Hades.
At the final judgment, Hades will be emptied before the Great White Throne, where its occupants will be judged prior to entering the lake of fire (Revelation 20:13–15).
On the other hand, when a believer dies today, he is “present with the Lord” in heaven (2 Corinthians 5:6–9).
A resurrection awaits everyone—either a resurrection to eternal life or a resurrection to “shame and everlasting contempt” (Daniel 12:2).
Scripture Jaebius to back up the that the Saints went to Paradise in Hell ----
I say ------You the one who never gives scripture to back up your sovereign ----mercy --grace Calvin theology ---I have given you scripture after scripture to back up everything I have said -----
now you saying it is just my interpretation ----that is just a COP OUT STATEMENT ----
All you that done that I have seen here as far as giving any scriptural back up to what you have posted or believe is just
Blowing Smoke ------
Come On there Jaebius ----give us some scripture to back up your Calvin theology about God's sovereignty admitting OT Saints into Heaven ------and for Salvation which eliminates free choice -----
I await your reply -----But I won't hold my breath on that reply ----
Jaebius
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The OT saints, unsafe, were perfected in Christ, just as we are.You are right here Jaebius ------but this is after Christ is Resurrected ---because Paul has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and is deemed Clean ---His Sin Nature is now gone and His Spirit is Holy ---He was Sinless in God's eyes
2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows.
3 And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows—
4 was caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible things, things that no one is permitted to tell.
I say -------The OLD Testament Saints were not IN CHRIST -----Their sins were not totally forgiven they were under the law of blood sacrifice and could't be admitted into Heaven ----there was no permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament to make their spirit Holy to get into Heaven -----
There is Not One Scripture that says the Holy Spirit permanently indwelled the OT SAINTS
It is not just my interpretation there Jaebius ----there is Scripture to back it up ----
-but you don't believe the Scripture ------and that says a lot ----
It's Got Questions interpretation TO there Jaebius---with Scripture to ----so we are both Wrong?????? and your interpretation is RIGHT -----COME ON Jaebius -----
Where did Old Testament believers/saints go when they died? | GotQuestions.org
Where did Old Testament believers/saints go when they died? Did Old Testament believers go to Paradise / Hades / Sheol when they died?www.gotquestions.org
The Old Testament believers went to a place of comfort and rest called “paradise” when they died. The Old Testament taught life after death and that everyone who departed from this life went to a place of conscious existence.
The general term for this place was Sheol, which could be translated “the grave” or “the realm of the dead.”
The wicked were there (Psalm 9:17; 31:17; 49:14; Isaiah 5:14),
and so were the righteous (Genesis 37:35; Job 14:13; Psalm 6:5; 16:10; 88:3; Isaiah 38:10).
The New Testament equivalent of Sheol is Hades. Luke 16:19–31 shows that, prior to Christ’s resurrection, Hades was divided into two realms:
a place of comfort where Lazarus was (Abraham’s bosom or Abraham’s side)
and a place of torment where the rich man was (hell).
Lazarus’s place of comfort is elsewhere called “paradise” (Luke 23:43).
The place of torment is called “Gehenna” in the Greek in Mark 9:45. Between paradise and hell (the two districts of Hades) there was “a great chasm” (Luke 16:26). The fact that no one could cross this chasm indicates that, after death, one’s fate is sealed.
Today, when an unbeliever dies, he follows the Old Testament unbelievers to the torment side of Hades.
At the final judgment, Hades will be emptied before the Great White Throne, where its occupants will be judged prior to entering the lake of fire (Revelation 20:13–15).
On the other hand, when a believer dies today, he is “present with the Lord” in heaven (2 Corinthians 5:6–9).
A resurrection awaits everyone—either a resurrection to eternal life or a resurrection to “shame and everlasting contempt” (Daniel 12:2).
Scripture Jaebius to back up the that the Saints went to Paradise in Hell ----
I say ------You the one who never gives scripture to back up your sovereign ----mercy --grace Calvin theology ---I have given you scripture after scripture to back up everything I have said -----
now you saying it is just my interpretation ----that is just a COP OUT STATEMENT ----
All you that done that I have seen here as far as giving any scriptural back up to what you have posted or believe is just
Blowing Smoke ------
Come On there Jaebius ----give us some scripture to back up your Calvin theology about God's sovereignty admitting OT Saints into Heaven ------and for Salvation which eliminates free choice -----
I await your reply -----But I won't hold my breath on that reply ----
“Abraham’s bosom” is a metaphor for covenantal fellowship with God. Christ’s parable in Luke 16’s a moral warning. You miss the point when you press it into the afterlife's literal map.
Scripture says salvation is “of God who shows mercy”* (Rom 9:16). The OT saints were saved the same way as us, by grace through faith. Their sacrifices pointed forward to Christ.
You talk about not holding you breath for my reply, and a short time ago you posted numerous posts to me, perhaps just trying to get my attention. Please keep in mind, unsafe, that I'm in a quite different time zone than you are as I live on the other side of the planet. Everyone else here seems to grasp that
If all the scripture of Jesus were presented ... would there be room among all the preachers that have rendered it down to their conflicting point?
May answer the curiosity about why the Earth is more in conflict than in cooperating to survive ... thus the entire thing must go ... it is just the way it is given the dissonance and inability to get it all together!
Light falls like dew and reflects in the Dais as it rises ...
Remember all the rich people are doing well at the expense of something else. These include the upper crust of emperors, merchants (CEO's) and supporters of belief in these two as 4 fathers. Does that square off well; remnant against the righteous, up against the down and those ahead and behind the powerful medium? If you are part of the dash, you possibly missed as great part in your fog of rushing ...
Recent admiration of heavenly red spot relate the thing to a Black Hole ... the connecting item of inky terms ... thus men in black ... shrouded as the powers will not see or hear of it and thus constant muting ... ignorance expands faster that the powers can keep up leading to some termination, conclusion or other type of ends ... prior to it all starting fresh again ... mindless relating? Passion is the answer to getting across to the other with anything unobserved ... transients?
I've packed away all I need to get out ... just waiting for total Eli Min Ation (Asion) by darker powers ... as a small part of the entire myth ...
Should there be a base income to support the base line of humanity? Thus mankind must fade and feint away as the power wish to stand alone ... and alone they will be with none to carry out the prodigal (waste)! It is the consequence of parasitism when the feeder puts nothing back into the unseen psyche ... there's a word for such balanced opposition ... but the wealthy will not hear of it. Consider the stance of the richest growing trillionaires on such stigmas as ultimate goals. Leaves many of us in a mood for escape ... thus stories, ballads and other unbelievable instances of the dark side ... underground milli tarries ... grinding ends! Don-kiss in the dance ... to see who caresses whom's arche! It wends about ... as your thoughts are stripped down by characters and individuals unseen ... out there ...
Ever wonder where intellect goes when things get heated ... we are about to observe the earth erupt ... leaving a sinking sensation ... folly? Who saw it coming if they were blinded somehow ...
May answer the curiosity about why the Earth is more in conflict than in cooperating to survive ... thus the entire thing must go ... it is just the way it is given the dissonance and inability to get it all together!
Light falls like dew and reflects in the Dais as it rises ...
Remember all the rich people are doing well at the expense of something else. These include the upper crust of emperors, merchants (CEO's) and supporters of belief in these two as 4 fathers. Does that square off well; remnant against the righteous, up against the down and those ahead and behind the powerful medium? If you are part of the dash, you possibly missed as great part in your fog of rushing ...
Recent admiration of heavenly red spot relate the thing to a Black Hole ... the connecting item of inky terms ... thus men in black ... shrouded as the powers will not see or hear of it and thus constant muting ... ignorance expands faster that the powers can keep up leading to some termination, conclusion or other type of ends ... prior to it all starting fresh again ... mindless relating? Passion is the answer to getting across to the other with anything unobserved ... transients?
I've packed away all I need to get out ... just waiting for total Eli Min Ation (Asion) by darker powers ... as a small part of the entire myth ...
Should there be a base income to support the base line of humanity? Thus mankind must fade and feint away as the power wish to stand alone ... and alone they will be with none to carry out the prodigal (waste)! It is the consequence of parasitism when the feeder puts nothing back into the unseen psyche ... there's a word for such balanced opposition ... but the wealthy will not hear of it. Consider the stance of the richest growing trillionaires on such stigmas as ultimate goals. Leaves many of us in a mood for escape ... thus stories, ballads and other unbelievable instances of the dark side ... underground milli tarries ... grinding ends! Don-kiss in the dance ... to see who caresses whom's arche! It wends about ... as your thoughts are stripped down by characters and individuals unseen ... out there ...
Ever wonder where intellect goes when things get heated ... we are about to observe the earth erupt ... leaving a sinking sensation ... folly? Who saw it coming if they were blinded somehow ...
Do OT Saints dance about like essences of archaic ideal and ideology ... all in obscured history to cover for the failures of flaming emperors ... Charlee Bois? Did you know that Charlie was once an old word for flaming ... close to gas lights ... under which passionate disturbances ignited? There are ballads of that order ... if you dip into their understanding as a stigma ... nailed? Like light entrained in tent ... really hot around high noon ... for the shot ... circumferential!
You have to admit certain parts of scripture raise curiosity as an ultimate abstract ... dar*kai ... shadowy to say least! AL midst the center line ... dividing one from the opposed ... residing for a peak condition! Th' onery ... conjunction? Unlikely ...
Thus I remain all alone ... and people do not believe on letting things be that are essentially nothing ... they have to make something of it ... I'll make notes ...
People have asked frequently; "what's he about?" But they really don't want to know ... another OHM 'r ...
People have asked frequently; "what's he about?" But they really don't want to know ... another OHM 'r ...
Jaebius
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Your poetic language, Luce, reminds me of how Scripture paints vivid pictures. Fire and cloud's pillar. The tabernacle filled with glory. These were tangible realities pointing to God’s presence among His people. Those accounts are grounded in history. They ask us to trust that the same God who spoke light into existence also entered human history to redeem it
Sometimes a flame and sometimes a shroud ... people will debate about that too as they seldom can get things together ... and sometimes we wonder at that beyond us ... fiery dissonance ... it is Canon ... law of diversion ... divine?
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No Jaebius I will never preach that --ever and never ------Period
Lets preach the Scripture that says -----Truth --Free will to choose and a condition
Romans 10:9-10
9 because if you acknowledge and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord [recognizing His power, authority, and majesty as God], and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart a person believes [in Christ as Savior] resulting in his justification [that is, being made righteous—being freed of the guilt of sin and made acceptable to God]; and with the mouth he acknowledges and confesses [his faith openly], resulting in and confirming [his] salvation.
It didn't there was no sin and no death in the Garden -----till the serpent arrived and deceived Eve and Eve talked her Adam into rebelling against God by eating the forbidden fruit ------sin entered and God in His Sovereignty said ------The wages of sin is death -----God could have Physically killed both of them and the serpent right then ---
But in His Sovereign Mercy --he allowed them to live -----but gave them judgment before kicking them from the garden
Here you go taking one word out of a whole piece of scripture and twisting it to suit your own twisted Theology ----
This is your scripture in Context ---19 --gives you Faith is your way to righteousness ----
The Power is in the Gospel to inbirth the Faith so you can be saved
Nice how you left out all of the scripture of verse 16 ---and 17----and you can't separate verses 16 and 17 there Jaebius as they go together ---
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
17 For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last,[e] just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.
Paul’s Longing to Visit Rome
8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is being reported all over the world. 9 God, whom I serve in my spirit in preaching the gospel of his Son, is my witness how constantly I remember you 10 in my prayers at all times; and I pray that now at last by God’s will the way may be opened for me to come to you.11 I long to see you so that I may impart to you some spiritual gift to make you strong— 12 that is, that you and I may be mutually encouraged by each other’s faith. 13 I do not want you to be unaware, brothers and sisters,[d] that I planned many times to come to you (but have been prevented from doing so until now) in order that I might have a harvest among you, just as I have had among the other Gentiles.
14 I am obligated both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. 15 That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are in Rome.
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: ---Choice here Jaebius -------first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
17 For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last,[e] just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”[f]
So here is your other scripture John 15 :19 ---and here again you are taking a piece of Scripture out of Context and have no spiritual understand of it but using it and twisting it to suit your Calvinism theology ----so you can say ---I"M RIGHT ------
So this scripture is Jesus speaking ---we are still in the Old Testament law here Jaebius and Jesus picks who His Father picks for Him ---according to Scripture ===
Amplified Bible---John 5
So Jesus answered them by saying, “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself [of His own accord], unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever things the Father does, the Son [in His turn] also does in the same way.
So
He does and picks who His Father tells him to pick as He was looking for people to follow Him to be trained for His Discipleship -----
So God the Father in His Sovereignty ---again picks who He wants to be His Disciples to start the Church -----again it pertains to God's Sovereign Plan -of starting His Church ----so God did pick these men to follow Jesus and be trained -----
Sin is still only covered by animal sacrifices Here for 1 year here ----again at this point these men still have their sin nature ----no indwelling of the Holy spirit here yet ----till Jesus dies and is resurrected
So
This is not saying that after Jesus sheds His Blood to cover sin for all time and dies and is resurrected that God's sovereignty doesn't give us free choice to choose to reject Jesus or accept Jesus ------this is where God limits His own Sovereign power ----
He gave the angels free choice and He gave His Creation Free choice
Lucifer ---used his free will to choose to rebel against God and took other angels with him in their free choice ---and we have been given that same free will to chose to accept or reject salvation -----
You wish --but your wrong -----in that theory ----there were Saints but were definitely not perfected --in Spirit ----at the time they died ---they were deemed Righteous by Faith for the Obedience ------but their Spirit was not Changed ----your Human Spirit cannot get you into Heaven ---it has to be the Holy Spirit indwelling in you -----and that was not happening at that time ----
The Disciples received the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in Acts in the upper room and at Pentecost were filled with the Holy Spirit -----so their Spirits were Changed and they became Heaven bound upon their Death ----
Ya I know what time it is in your Country ----Google tells me that -----I am not anxious for your reply there Jaebius I know you will reply when it is day time in your country ---just giving you much to reply to when it is daytime there and your awake to reply -----
Imagine all the broken bits of God scattered in the human distrubution as dispersed for an integral rest from the rackets caused in gatherings ...
May cause dissemmanation of some powerfully vain word ... an emotion that believes they are pleased to have it all in one place ... folly?
Awesome enigma ...
Did you know with difficult parts you cannot teach them much of that? It just passes ove like a pall ... castes a shadow as a pin prick out there as delight comes together ... hedonism? Something to rise out of to regain thought as a lost theory ... explains what many lose in the process of living ... it is just how it goes; salvation (rub), justification and sanctification as it sinks in ...
What can you say anymore of when you don't know ...
Did you know that in pastimes you were not to look into these things ... folklore? Thus bated ... as a woman at the well ... Kathie? Cause for more friction ...
Life is like that with people going every which way ... no 4 sight, or even double vision to observe the depth of what they've descended into ... or got around TU!
May cause dissemmanation of some powerfully vain word ... an emotion that believes they are pleased to have it all in one place ... folly?
Awesome enigma ...
Did you know with difficult parts you cannot teach them much of that? It just passes ove like a pall ... castes a shadow as a pin prick out there as delight comes together ... hedonism? Something to rise out of to regain thought as a lost theory ... explains what many lose in the process of living ... it is just how it goes; salvation (rub), justification and sanctification as it sinks in ...
What can you say anymore of when you don't know ...
Did you know that in pastimes you were not to look into these things ... folklore? Thus bated ... as a woman at the well ... Kathie? Cause for more friction ...
Life is like that with people going every which way ... no 4 sight, or even double vision to observe the depth of what they've descended into ... or got around TU!
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Jaebius
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The “woman at the well” you mentioned, Luce, is a perfect picture. Jesus meeting someone in her fragmented life. Offering living water that unites the scattered bits into wholeness.
The Good News's not vain words. Salvation’s grace's reality breaking through confusion's pall.
Where human thought sinks into “lost theory,” Christ rises as the living Truth. The Shepherd calls His sheep by name. We can rest in the assurance that God’s Word's not scattered