Amazing Discoveries

[Luce NDs]

You have to appreciate the attitude that totally desirous folk have to blindness regarding the light of a Christ that is said to be a teacher (Rabbi).

Even the bible says his apostles didn't understand him and yet those praising the black out declare they know how to adm inister all ... a fringe condition ... at least until the light comes back on down here in the subtlety ... hypothetical state?

What if we are not actually real as some great administrators claim? Administrators appear to suffer Peter Prin. being raised way beyond their standards as laid out in the sans ... yet the san does cover up for a lot of shortfalls and folly as the grit drifts over what is laid prodigal (waste) by human efforts at war, control and avarice that is ever chilling ... and that power that has the last word about getting us out of the virtual mess ... created by the beastliness of humanity that has a teaching shortfall ... they learn little ... because they have great belief that they know everything. The claims of this quality are astounding as some may have noted ... but we are not that good at paying attention to the records, etc. The Log oozes to be read into but we will not go there as knowledge is reputed to be evil ...

So much to differentiate as to what to learn thoroughly and what to pass lightly ... as beauties on the strand with special connection devices ... often the pits as we don't know the field very well ... the experience assists in determined stupidity! It happens ... on the quantum scale ... with frequency to make the sky glow ...

 

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Our choosing Christ, unsafe, is possible only because God first chose to open our hearts.

Yes and the person can receive that Drawing or reject that drawing ----we have free choice in our decision making given to us by God Himself ----

God’s sovereign grace enables our free response.

I agree with this ----

Once the Spirit regenerates us, we receive Jesus.

Questions -----what Spirit are you speaking of here ?
-------------------and what is your meaning of Regeneration here ?

 

[Luce NDs]

Anybody read into the heart of darkness as a mystery about why people follow emotions blindly?

Should they mature? Grow Ops.

 

[WhyCzar]

"The Kingdom of God is Within you."

Track the migration:

The Greek: ENTOS - within, inside, interior
King James (1611): "The kingdom of God is within you"
Revised Standard (1946): "The kingdom of God is in the midst of you"
New International (1973): "The kingdom of God is in your midst"
New Living (1996): "The kingdom of God is among you"
Contemporary English (1995): "God's kingdom is here with you"​

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Each translation pulls the kingdom further from your interior landscape.

This wasn't scholarly evolution but strategic revision.

Jerome's Vulgate in 382 AD used "intra vos"—unambiguously within you.

For a millennium, even Latin-reading priests couldn't pretend otherwise.

But as Christianity's business model crystallized, the translation had to shift.

The product had to remain external to maintain the market.

But a kingdom within you?

That requires nothing external whatsoever.

 

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"The Kingdom of God is Within you."

OH REALLY ???????

Jesus said to the unbelieving who think the Spirit is within them

 

[WhyCzar]

Should they mature? Grow Ops.

Watch actual children that haven't learned separation yet.

Does a two-year-old question whether they deserve love, wonder if they're worthy of existence, need permission to be themselves?

Children exist in unmediated presence.
-Before education teaches distance.
-Before civilization installs separation.
-Before religion creates categories of worthy and unworthy, saved and damned, chosen and rejected.

This is kingdom consciousness: direct, immediate, unquestioned belonging.

The child's secret is that there is no secret.

The kingdom is default setting, baseline reality, original equipment.

Everything else is learned separation, trained distance, programmed unworthiness.

"Unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."

 

[WhyCzar]

OH REALLY ???????

The supposed distance between human and divine is learned illusion.

If God sees through my eyes and breathes through my lungs, who needs a priest to interpret the conversation?

Some will call this gnostic, heretical, or worse.

They said the same about Eckhart before excommunication.
About Joan before burning.
About everyone who recognized what children know naturally.

The accusation reveals the threat: if humans recognize their divine nature, who needs managers of divinity?

 

[WhyCzar]

Jesus said to the unbelieving who think the Spirit is within them

The Spirit doesn't need to be received. It needs to be recognized.

 

[Jaebius]

OH REALLY ???????

Jesus said to the unbelieving who think the Spirit is within them

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To wield that verse as a blanket judgment against others, unsafe, is to miss Christ's Spirit.

The Lord said, “A bruised reed He won't break! A smoldering wick He won't snuff out” (Mat 12:20)!

He draws near to the weak. The doubting. The brokenhearted!

Your post's spiritual arrogance. Only the Shepherd knows His sheep.

Our calling's to embody grace and truth.

Jesus warns against false disciples who don't do the Father's will. His warning's not ours to hurl at others

 

[WhyCzar]

Who is claiming Superiority ----??????? we are all born sinners --unbelievers --away from God ---filthy rags ---who deserve wrath --and Hell -----and who are in need of a Saviour to save us from wicked selves ---the choice is ours to accept the Saviour and be free of our Sin Nature and be Brought back to having Eternal life ---it is a Personal Choice ----there is no superior Believers or Unbelievers ----we all started out the same way ----wicked --and defiled

That is one hell of worldview.

 

[WhyCzar]

through the power of the Holy Spirit we are to Speak boldly and unhindered Speaking ALL truth about Jesus Christ and His Gospel Boldly----- No sugar coating ---No picking soft scripture----- and putting Hard Scripture on the back burner ----Preach ALL with Boldness ---Confidence ---

follow Paul's Example

Jesus didn't come to open the kingdom. It was never closed.
Jesus didn't bring the kingdom. It was always here.
Jesus didn't establish the kingdom. It was always established.

The story of Jesus is to demonstrate what humans look like when they recognize the kingdom within and live from that recognition.

His death didn't purchase your access.

His resurrection didn't unlock doors.

The cross demonstrated that killing the messenger can't kill the message.

Crucifying recognition can't prevent recognition.

"The kingdom of God is within you."​

Seven words that make organized religion impossible.

Seven words that end spiritual commerce.

Seven words that terminate 2,000 years of managed distance.

The kingdom isn't approaching from somewhere else.

It's present in your present.

The separation doesn't exist—never did, never could.

The moment you recognize the kingdom within, you become ungovernable by any kingdom without.

Kind of like Jesus.

 

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Our calling's to embody grace and truth.

I just posted Truth ----hard Truth -----but Truth -----people need to hear ALL TRUTH there Jaebius ----other wise they are being fed False HOPE -----

To water down Scripture is not telling the Truth -----

God Agape's all His Human creation but He He is also A God who Judges and He tells Us in His Word in no uncertain Terms who get the Judgment and what that Judgment is -----

Preach Truth ----Not Lies -----A Half Truth is a Lie -----cause it masquerades as a whole Truth and Gives False Hope to the one receiving it -----and sends them to their wrong eternal home --
Is that what you want there Jaebius ---Preach only God's Sovereignty and Mercy and Grace while you never mention Faith which is the True Foundation of the Gospel --Read your posts --you never mention Faith with your Sovereign --Mercy ---Grace Preaching -----

Without God's Faith there Jaebius ---you can't even please God ---and you never mention that--- WHY NOT???----do you not believe this scripture ????



Preaching on Christ's Faith should be the corner stone of all Preachers -----without Christ's Faith you cannot be Saved -----God's Graced Salvation comes Through the inbirthing of His Faith in Us ---to believe in Jesus and what He Accomplished on the Cross -----

 

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Jesus didn't come to open the kingdom. It was never closed.

The Kingdom was closed to all of God's Creation -----because of Sin in the Garden ----we were all going straight to Hell -----the wages of sin is the 2nd Death --- the lake of Fire ----there Folks

Get this ---------Our Spirit doesn't die --it goes somewhere ---it leaves this Body and was going to eternal torment because of Sin in the Garden ---- the Kingdom of Heaven was closed to all Human Creation -----

Satan took the keys that got God's Creation in His Kingdom in the Garden of Eden when sin was committed and brought in eternal death ----

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Jesus came to get the keys back from Satan and reopen the Gate to God's Kingdom -----so those who want to go there could now go there -----and stay out of the 2nd death -----

Jesus is the bridge into God's Kingdom -----without receiving Jesus in your heart ----your going to torment ----Jesus is the Door to His Kingdom now -----

The Ark Noah Built ----had ONE DOOR and all who entered that ONE DOOR were saved ---this was the forerunner for the Coming Messiah --who Now is the One Door into His Kingdom

 

[WhyCzar]

Get this

When someone affirms the teachings of Jesus and the first instinct is correction rather than welcome it is pretty hard to take them seriously.

Through cracks your gatekeeping can’t seal,
in seven words that bypass the toll booth,
the teachings of Jesus will land where they were always meant to land.

 

[Jaebius]

I just posted Truth ----hard Truth -----but Truth -----people need to hear ALL TRUTH there Jaebius ----other wise they are being fed False HOPE -----

To water down Scripture is not telling the Truth -----

God Agape's all His Human creation but He He is also A God who Judges and He tells Us in His Word in no uncertain Terms who get the Judgment and what that Judgment is -----

Preach Truth ----Not Lies -----A Half Truth is a Lie -----cause it masquerades as a whole Truth and Gives False Hope to the one receiving it -----and sends them to their wrong eternal home --
Is that what you want there Jaebius ---Preach only God's Sovereignty and Mercy and Grace while you never mention Faith which is the True Foundation of the Gospel --Read your posts --you never mention Faith with your Sovereign --Mercy ---Grace Preaching -----

Without God's Faith there Jaebius ---you can't even please God ---and you never mention that--- WHY NOT???----do you not believe this scripture ????

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Preaching on Christ's Faith should be the corner stone of all Preachers -----without Christ's Faith you cannot be Saved -----God's Graced Salvation comes Through the inbirthing of His Faith in Us ---to believe in Jesus and what He Accomplished on the Cross -----

To embody truth, unsafe, is to let the Spirit shape us into living testimonies.

Otherwise, we just preach judgment without compassion, which becomes a distortion.

Preach judgment, unsafe, not to slam people but with tears in your eyes. Preach faith as the Spirit’s gift. Preach sovereignty as the Father’s wise rule that bends history toward redemption.

Truth's magnified when embodied, because it's seen in flesh and blood

 

[Jaebius]

The Kingdom was closed to all of God's Creation -----because of Sin in the Garden ----we were all going straight to Hell -----the wages of sin is the 2nd Death --- the lake of Fire ----there Folks

Get this ---------Our Spirit doesn't die --it goes somewhere ---it leaves this Body and was going to eternal torment because of Sin in the Garden ---- the Kingdom of Heaven was closed to all Human Creation -----

Satan took the keys that got God's Creation in His Kingdom in the Garden of Eden when sin was committed and brought in eternal death ----

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Jesus came to get the keys back from Satan and reopen the Gate to God's Kingdom -----so those who want to go there could now go there -----and stay out of the 2nd death -----

Jesus is the bridge into God's Kingdom -----without receiving Jesus in your heart ----your going to torment ----Jesus is the Door to His Kingdom now -----

The Ark Noah Built ----had ONE DOOR and all who entered that ONE DOOR were saved ---this was the forerunner for the Coming Messiah --who Now is the One Door into His Kingdom

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Your framing's off, unsafe, because you reduce the Good News to “keys” and “doors,” while neglecting grace's deeper covenantal reality.

The Kingdom's God's reign breaking into history. Restoring creation. Reconciling all things in Christ (Col 1:20).

Salvation's about being changed into Christ’s likeness. Living as His Kingdom's citizens now. Anticipating the new heaven's and new earth's fullness.

Your post, unsafe, lacks balance. You turn the Good News into fear-driven exclusivity

 

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To embody truth, unsafe, is to let the Spirit shape us into living testimonies.

Then preach that ----

Otherwise, we just preach judgment without compassion, which becomes a distortion.

Then preach Judgment with your compassion there Jaebius ---because you never talk about Judgment ---it is all about God's sovereignty --mercy and grace -----which is a distortion -----

Preach judgment, unsafe, not to slam people but with tears in your eyes.

Then Preach judgment ----Jaebius not to slam people but with tears -----Preach it Brother

Preach faith as the Spirit’s gift.

Then Preach Faith as the Spirit's Gift ----but preach Faith there Jaebius ---cause you haven't been here ----

Preach sovereignty as the Father’s wise rule that bends history toward redemption.

First Preach what God is soverign over -----explain God's sovereignty ---and to what extent it has toward Redemption ---- you never explain what your view is cause the Calvinist view is different than the Bible view on certain aspects of God's sovereignty on how much control He has over the will on mankind ----explain your view and the Scriptures view -----

For instance ---you said up post -----what do you mean by this statement ????

Jaebius said:
Once the Spirit regenerates us, we receive Jesus.

I say ----Is it a Calvin view and is it Biblical ????? ---Where is Faith in your mix here ---no mention of it that I see ----

I say --------So it looks to me as if your saying that (Not sure about what Spirit here your referring to here)--the Father or the Holy Spirit ------the regeneration ---comes first and then we can receive Jesus ------

I say --- that is Not what the Scripture Says at all ------there Jaebius

No Faith mentioned here in your post----

Faith is always first with God ---without Faith you can't be saved -----

Grace alone will not save you ---Grace comes Through Christ's Faith ----

-Abraham was redeemed by Faith in God and then he obeyed ---

Faith propled Abraham into action -----


This is the scripture from the scripture on Salvation ------

Preach from the Scriptures there Jaebius ---not what Calvin preaches

Romans 10:9-10 AMPC

9 Because if you acknowledge and confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and in your heart believe (adhere to, trust in, and rely on the truth) that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

10 For with the heart a person believes (adheres to, trusts in, and relies on Christ) and so is justified (declared righteous, acceptable to God), and with the mouth he confesses (declares openly and speaks out freely his faith) and confirms [his] salvation.

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Truth's magnified when embodied, because it's seen in flesh and blood

I say------True Christian Behaviour is magnified through presenting Christ's Character that is seem by others ---

The Truth of Scripture is magnified when the Preacher preaches the Truth of the Scripture from the Scriptures and Spiritually explains to the people what the Scriptures really mean so they can understand the truth they are reading and hearing -----

If the Preacher can't Spiritually explain the Scriptures then the truth can't be magnified or embodied in Spiritual truth -----

 

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Your framing's off, unsafe, because you reduce the Good News to “keys” and “doors,” while neglecting grace's deeper covenantal reality.

Jaebius ---you need to go back to the beginning ------to Genesis in the Garden ----

Sin entered ---Adam and Eve were kicked out ----they were cursed ----God cursed the Ground ----this whole earth fell ----not just mankind ----

The wages of sin is 2nd death

Satan was deemed the god of this world -----Satan had the keys of the second death -----God's Kingdom was closed for anyone having eternal life -----every person on this earth was hell bound ----heaven was closed to sinners-----

Jesus was sent by the Father to regain the Keys to eternal life -----by shedding His blood and covering sin for all time -----and Defeating Death by being resurrected --Jesus-- took back eternal life that Satan took in the Garden -----

That is the Good News -----

No Saint or Sinner in the old Testament went to Heaven -when they died -----they resided in Hell

Where did Old Testament believers/saints go when they died? | GotQuestions.org

Where did Old Testament believers/saints go when they died? Did Old Testament believers go to Paradise / Hades / Sheol when they died?

www.gotquestions.org

The Old Testament believers went to a place of comfort and rest called “paradise” when they died.

The New Testament equivalent of Sheol is Hades. Luke 16:19–31 shows that, prior to Christ’s resurrection,
Hades was divided into two realms: a place of comfort where Lazarus was (Abraham’s bosom or Abraham’s side)
and a place of torment where the rich man was (hell).
Lazarus’s place of comfort is elsewhere called “paradise” (Luke 23:43).



When you receive Jesus as your Lord and Saviour -----the Father sends the Holy Spirit to reside in you ------that is the Kingdom within


The Kingdom Within -----

John 14:17: The Spirit of truth lives with you and will be in you.

1 Corinthians 3:16: God's Spirit lives inside you.


Adding this about sovereignty maybe a good idea to read it so you can preach rightly on what it is and how far it goes with human choice ----

What does it mean that God is sovereign? | GotQuestions.org

 

[Jaebius]

Jaebius ---you need to go back to the beginning ------to Genesis in the Garden ----

Sin entered ---Adam and Eve were kicked out ----they were cursed ----God cursed the Ground ----this whole earth fell ----not just mankind ----

The wages of sin is 2nd death

Satan was deemed the god of this world -----Satan had the keys of the second death -----God's Kingdom was closed for anyone having eternal life -----every person on this earth was hell bound ----heaven was closed to sinners-----

Jesus was sent by the Father to regain the Keys to eternal life -----by shedding His blood and covering sin for all time -----and Defeating Death by being resurrected --Jesus-- took back eternal life that Satan took in the Garden -----

That is the Good News -----

No Saint or Sinner in the old Testament went to Heaven -when they died -----they resided in Hell

Where did Old Testament believers/saints go when they died? | GotQuestions.org

Where did Old Testament believers/saints go when they died? Did Old Testament believers go to Paradise / Hades / Sheol when they died?

www.gotquestions.org

The Old Testament believers went to a place of comfort and rest called “paradise” when they died.

The New Testament equivalent of Sheol is Hades. Luke 16:19–31 shows that, prior to Christ’s resurrection,
Hades was divided into two realms: a place of comfort where Lazarus was (Abraham’s bosom or Abraham’s side)
and a place of torment where the rich man was (hell).
Lazarus’s place of comfort is elsewhere called “paradise” (Luke 23:43).



When you receive Jesus as your Lord and Saviour -----the Father sends the Holy Spirit to reside in you ------that is the Kingdom within

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The Kingdom Within -----

John 14:17: The Spirit of truth lives with you and will be in you.

1 Corinthians 3:16: God's Spirit lives inside you.


Adding this about sovereignty maybe a good idea to read it so you can preach rightly on what it is and how far it goes with human choice ----

What does it mean that God is sovereign? | GotQuestions.org

For you to say, unsafe, that the Old Testament faithful were “hell-bound" diminishes God’s covenant faithfulness.

Let's not reduce the Kingdom merely to “within.” The Kingdom;s both "already" and "not yet." It's awaiting consummation in Christ’s return. When you preach only the “inner kingdom," you privatize salvation and neglect Creation's cosmic renewal.

Sovereignty, unsafe, doesn't mean fatalism. God’s sovereign grace works through human responsibility

 

[Jaebius]

When someone affirms the teachings of Jesus and the first instinct is correction rather than welcome it is pretty hard to take them seriously.

Through cracks your gatekeeping can’t seal,
in seven words that bypass the toll booth,
the teachings of Jesus will land where they were always meant to land.

Your poetic lines, WhyCzar, remind me that the gospel's not locked behind human gatekeeping. "Through cracks your gatekeeping can’t seal…" is a powerful image. The Word's always found its way into unexpected places, bypassing toll booths and barriers. Even the Pharisees couldn’t keep Jesus’s teaching from reaching fishers. Tax collectors. People at wells.

When we welcome first, we reflect the Shepherd who both embraces and leads.

I seriously gotta wonder about anyone who repeatedly leads with the judgment card. That seriously seems to me to be a great sign of spiritual immaturity