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Right on ... and thus we rest a bit for the next grind ... hard learning curve! What was it they used to call that dippy item ... a clouded assimilation.

It is opposed by Kubler-Ross ... thus E frame of Eris ... dissonance! Maybe even Ephraim ... that's biblical ... people often don't read it because of paranoia ...
I think I’m beginning to see the thread running through your posts — the struggle between fragmentation and integration.

People often seem more comfortable with fixed camps and rigid identities, while the “medium” or fence line creates discomfort because it blurs certainty. That may be where the Eris/dissonance comes in — the resistance to assimilation or cojoining.

The irony is that growth often seems to happen in exactly that clouded space, where old structures loosen before something more unified forms. Maybe that’s why the learning curve feels like a grind.
 
I think I’m beginning to see the thread running through your posts — the struggle between fragmentation and integration.

People often seem more comfortable with fixed camps and rigid identities, while the “medium” or fence line creates discomfort because it blurs certainty. That may be where the Eris/dissonance comes in — the resistance to assimilation or cojoining.

The irony is that growth often seems to happen in exactly that clouded space, where old structures loosen before something more unified forms. Maybe that’s why the learning curve feels like a grind.

Lets just refer to it as the means ... kind of paradigmatic ... ingenuity ... requires some considerable input ... you just can't take away continuously!

Thus Luce is off ... any parting words?
 
Lets just refer to it as the means ... kind of paradigmatic ... ingenuity ... requires some considerable input ... you just can't take away continuously!

Thus Luce is off ... any parting words?
Perhaps that is the balance point — critique alone eventually empties the vessel, while ingenuity adds something back into the stream.

The “means” may not be about choosing rigid sides, but about remaining capable of connection, contribution, and reinterpretation without losing oneself in the process.

Interesting conversation, Luce. Safe travels along the next curve.
 
Nobody is willing to question Luce’s state of mind, only reactions to how he applies it. I have been called mentally ill and damaged (depressed with cptsd at this point for various real reasons nobody seems to give a s**t about) in a disparaging way. He’s deliberately added to the damage on a deeply psychologically disturbing level with real word implications which I discovered after a traumatic real world turn of events. Meanwhile people are happy to give credibility to a man whose words and how he uses them create chaos and undermine mercy and kindness. He wants to undo and end the world if he could because this world is just governed by an evil demiurge. He thinks he and his words are God and he gets direct orders from the highest God in the outer realm (gnostic belief taken to extremes) to intrude deeply into peoples’ lives to do harm to them. He believes that he’s entitled to do that. He's the extreme medium with an enormous ego. He’s not behaving like an honest man. Just look at his deceptive communication skills. He misrepresents people based on his own biases and he hates his mother. Good luck if you’re a strong woman just trying to survive in a man’s world with misogynist dictates but want to contain the brutality by trying to bring mercy and forgiveness and kindness as better habits, back to a cruel world - earned or not -because you believe that’s the only real justice we have the power to grant each other to balance the scales and make the world a better place - but he’s decided you’re the enemy, because that’s too emotional - because on a certain level he’s about as feminist as Atilla the Hun. He’s dark and slippery and it won’t stick to him - if it causes you anguish he will laugh at that and mock you and round up his minions to help. He’s the evil alter of the real person that is even more damaged than me, who is a kind and gentle person - but when he gets into his alter he’s not. He is most often cold and calculated and ruthless. If he has laid claim to your “psyche” (granted himself permission to intrude deeply into your life to probe for knowledge) he feels entitled to your entire life and how to source it and interpret it. It’s really quite sad if it wasn’t so disturbing and I don’t know how you love someone back to health who is intent on hurting you continuously until you contemplate whether your existence even matters, whether you ignore him or not, and revels in your anguish dismissed as paranoia.

It’s almost like he believes he’s the kind of saviour unsafe believes in.

If someone other than Luce was doing that - say a movie character - what would you assume the diagnosis is? Can it be reversed and the gentle person revealed and brought back?

Pardon me for analyzing Luce like he’s a non human character. He doesn’t want to represent himself that way, I’m sure, because he’s so transparent. Don’t question it. /s

Can you see the dissonance in watching people assume that questioning his MO is out of bounds?

People have met him and he is a nice person, in person. People have met me and I am not exactly a menace. Which one of us is speaking to you here with obscured words?

Please take these words as an analysis of a character. The real human under there is deliberately and consciously a myth of his own making so I don’t think it’s strange to do so. I will probably get in trouble for writing this. Delete my post if you want but I don’t deserve to be deleted from this community.
 
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I don’t want to bring harm to people I want an end to the terror being brought and healing to be allowed. I don’t believe this world is a lost cause. Is there a cure for pathological callousness? If anyone has been trying to play divide and conquer games it’s not me. I’m only trying to stand up to it because I’m tired of being collateral damage.

Anybody who hasn’t known him here for years could even begin to see it. And even people who have been, are trying to deny that there could possibly be anything scary-weird about him or his intentions. It would be admitting a weakness. Nope. It must be my fault for questioning him because there’s no disorder in that guy that needs to be assessed. /s

People outside looking in on this group must think we’re all insane quite frankly.
 
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