Agnosticism, atheism, and "spiritual struggle"

[timothyu]

What would women be doing if they were pushing their weight around?

The same as men who act as if their self-interest was more important than others. Selfishness knows no bounds.

 

[Luce NDs]

The same as men who act as if their self-interest was more important than others.

Thus surges in all shades of folk ...

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Women have been shaped and led astray in various ways by misogyny over the ages. Taught how to they’re supposed to be, and measured through a misogynistic worldview.

 

[Luce NDs]

Sometimes I ask the question of "avarice" and who is posing themselves just to control the alternate .. they cannot be in the medium ... for oh God that could be a state of mind! Like heaven or hell as the up or down thing in a shimmy or shiva ... and there the line of medium was disposed of ...

John Cash sang about that ... the powers hate the man on the fence line ... then the object dips out of existence ... becoming a non-existential bother ... in essence!

Ever been asked whether you were real or other? That'd be alternate or counter to the subjective ... nothing established ... perhaps a mover or eternally ultimate wanderer? Far beyond those stuck ...

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Well, they got beyond and achieved what they desired, then. Doesn’t seem fair and without their own avarice but who am I to say.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

People don’t hate knowledge. It depends on how it’s presented. “I don’t care if you’re a sensitive person! I’m going to invade your boundaries beyond your weirdest nightmares, obscure reality, and pressure you to learn beyond your limits until you feel a threatening sense of agony and you’re going to appreciate me and it doesn’t matter what you have to say about it this is my show! If you don’t respond well to that you’re stupid and worthless and don’t belong on this earth!” … is not the effective teaching method some might think it is. It’s not really humbly meeting in the middle either, is it - really? Because they may have already learned through pain the teacher has never had, as it was. Is that the intent? Must’ve been if gnostic learning is experiential. “They’re hurting already. Torture them some more! Throw them into a dark place!” … and then puzzle amusingly at why they resist going along for that ride?

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Why ever would anyone push back on or question that method? How arrogant of them to resist. (Nobody understands, I realize.)

I don’t think I had such a problem “learning” before that, ironically. I feel like I was assigned the wrong “textbook”.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Still shaken. Recovery ongoing. Enough said.

 

[BetteTheRed]

I can't follow this conversation at all. I will describe myself as an open agnostic pantheist. Today, anyway.

 

[BetteTheRed]

When they start pushing their weight around as men before them did.

Here's an interesting question for you. When it comes to "pushing one's weight around", Ruth Bader Ginsburg famously said,

“When I'm sometimes asked when will there be enough [women on the Supreme Court] and I say, 'When there are nine,' people are shocked. But there'd been nine men, and nobody's ever raised a question about that.”​

Would that be "pushing our weight around"?

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Describing a very “patriarchal” themed “dark night of soul” experience, you could say. Humbling by being devastating but still feels like it wasn’t the right lesson plan. Some unnecessarily painful redundancy in learning.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Good is merciful not vindictive. I just read Pistus Sophia.

 

[timothyu]

Would that be "pushing our weight around"?

No, in a sense it is equality but it would be better if they worked together. That is true equality.