Acts 1:6-14 Jesus Ascends; the Disciples Await the Advocate/Spirit

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irrelevant to the issue at hand. There are different experiences of the Spirit. Your way is not the only way. That’s the point at hand, and all your cherry-picked NT scholars aren’t going to change that.
 
And speaking of unanswered challenges, there is still a question for you in the Trump Legacy thread, awaiting an intelligent answer.
 
Faith is, in the end, not about being convinced by scholarship. It's about being convinced by personal experience and connection. Scholarship helps us analyze a source of faith like the Bible, but it is not, or should not, be the sole source of what we believe or how we experience spiritual connection. There needs to be an individual, personal connection. Scholarship can inform that, but it should not dictate a particular experience or connection.
 
Mendalla said:
Faith is, in the end, not about being convinced by scholarship. It's about being convinced by personal experience and connection. Scholarship helps us analyze a source of faith like the Bible, but it is not, or should not, be the sole source of what we believe or how we experience spiritual connection. There needs to be an individual, personal connection. Scholarship can inform that, but it should not dictate a particular experience or connection.
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I think Mystic may be pointing out not all experiences are godly or " of God".
 
Three points.
1. T tohe Jesus Seminar, whom you disagree with, argued that most of the words attributed to Jesus in the Gospel of John were not spoken by Jesus. So, to me, you are actually accusing me of contradicting the words of the author of John.
2. You have not shown me any verses that separate powers from other gifts.
3. Neither Jesus nor Paul claim that the powers of compulsion are the only powers that can grow the kingdom. I witnessed agape love contribute to the growth in numbers, ministry, and spiritual depth of faith communities. It is not a compulsive power.
 
Waterfall said:
I think Mystic may be pointing out not all experiences are godly or " of God".
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And why should the Christian scriptures be the determinant of what experience is "Godly"? Why not the sutras or Taoist texts?
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And of course, in a happy coincidence, his evaluation that something is or isn't "of God" is the correct one?
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I think this is the problem. There's a segment that seems to include Mystic that defines specific things as "godly" based on their particular reading of Christian scripture. Other experiences are interpreted in that frame of reference, whether that is the person having the experience frames it that way or not.
 
The divination of good and evil, may descend on some indeterminate point that humans never wished to know in the initiation (of the 1st point).

Mechanistic avoi dance ... all about the upstanding ... missing the support system ...
 
Mendalla said:
And why should the Christian scriptures be the determinant of what experience is "Godly"? Why not the sutras or Taoist texts?

I think this is the problem. There's a segment that seems to include Mystic that defines specific things as "godly" based on their particular reading of Christian scripture. Other experiences are interpreted in that frame of reference, whether that is the person having the experience frames it that way or not.
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I cant answer for Mystic.
 
Mendalla said:
Faith is, in the end, not about being convinced by scholarship. It's about being convinced by personal experience and connection. Scholarship helps us analyze a source of faith like the Bible, but it is not, or should not, be the sole source of what we believe or how we experience spiritual connection. There needs to be an individual, personal connection. Scholarship can inform that, but it should not dictate a particular experience or connection.
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I agree with this. That's why I say Process Theology is a framework for my faith - it is not my faith.
 
PilgrimsProgress said:
I've always had reservations about "speaking in tongues".........
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There one can state things denied by pious seizure of the right to speak! The pious wouldn't understand because they will not get that far into alien communications and connections ... so much to unravel in the greater linguistics, and so little time ...

Linguistics is a study of a vast spread of means of telling it ... and how it is curtailed! Thus underthought ...
 
I successfully called Red Baron's bluff and he comically tries to cover his embarrassment by changing the subject to a question in the Trump thread.
Jim Kenney's way of ducking my challenge is to invoke the irrelevant Jesus' Seminar without being capable of showing its relevance to the specific texts under discussion. Then he throws in his skepticism about the Fourth Gospel without even realizing that John is irrelevant to the key points of my posts. Bette comically throws in a kooky Trickster reference without explaining its relevance to Acts 1:14 and without realizing that modern psychology does not take the so-called Trickster archetype seriously. Then she reflects shamefully on UCCan by admitting that they don't stress Pentecost---a way of conceding their indifference to the spectacular event that birthed the church.

Most comical of all, everyone says I'm just giving my own interpretation of Luke's understanding of how the Holy Spirit birthed the church and how Jesus and Paul understand the relationship between "power" and "the kingdom of God." But they lack the ability to provide an alternative verse-by-verse interpretation of the verses cited to make this ludicrous claim meaningful. I read all this and am grateful that at least one UCCan insider (see Jobam's post)is honest enough to recognize how steeply UCCan is declining and this interpretative ineptness certainly demonstrates one of the reasons why.
 
I believe there was some kind of Pentecost event and i have no problems with Jesus saying the Spirit will come in power. I object to limiting that power to bold and dramatic. I believe there is important power in quieter and gentler expressions of power as well. You want to just call them gifts.
 
Mystic said:
I successfully called Red Baron's bluff and he comically tries to cover his embarrassment by changing the subject to a question in the Trump thread.
Jim Kenney's way of ducking my challenge is to invoke the irrelevant Jesus' Seminar without being capable of showing its relevance to the specific texts under discussion. Then he throws in his skepticism about the Fourth Gospel without even realizing that John is irrelevant to the key points of my posts. Bette comically throws in a kooky Trickster reference without explaining its relevance to Acts 1:14 and without realizing that modern psychology does not take the so-called Trickster archetype seriously. Then she reflects shamefully on UCCan by admitting that they don't stress Pentecost---a way of conceding their indifference to the spectacular event that birthed the church.
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No. We are not ducking your challenges. You are ducking ours. Why are you so afraid to answer straightforward questions straightforwardly? Instead, you invoke Don Lemon , you insult the United Church of Canada, try to impose your opinions on modern psychology, and in general evade issues, dodge questions and provide non-answers. Oh, and you call those with whom you disagree things like 'progressive' and 'woke,' like they are some kind of insult. Be advised (AGAIN) they aren't insults.
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And X marks the spot of the great unknown ... for those that wish to be the greatest that way!

In the twin image of themselves they always say the other is mindless ... until getting it together! Few have this gift of the outrageous story ... in which anything can happen in a mine that doesn't know itself as sole ... thus Memnon ... same thing in reflection?

Physician heal thyself by passing lightly ... do no harm in your blundering through the myth ... there the bubble bursts! Something unknown is then free ... heated Eire ... nothing like a warmer psyche ... these stand back from the flaming (a gerund)! An OBI ... perhaps a bit knobby in deeper domains ...
 
I am disappointed when a person who claims to be filled with the Spirit persists in acting hatefully and choosing winning in their own minds over respectful engagement with others.
 
Since he is insulting people on MY BPoTW, I could have him thread-banned.

Berserk, can you behave yourself? If you apologize, I will not request a thread ban (on both this thread AND on any other BPoTW I lead from here forward).
 
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