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Sarcasm is generally the employment of irony, or saying the opposite of the intended meaning, with comedic and/or insulting undertones. Sarcasm is often a tool used in satire, which has the higher goal of attacking people in high places, government or other institutions by holding up their words or actions to ridicule, with an intent to shine a light on abuses and initiate change.
 
What if we're wrong? What if it's not about satirical cartoons? What if the terrorists don't care about Mohammed being satired? What else could be on their agenda? Or whose agenda is it?

They found a drivers license in the car? Are the terrorists really that stupid....or smart? Didn't they magically find a terrorists passport from the buildings at 911 in the rubble too?

Oh and these are such well trained methodical killers, but whoops, they forgot to fill their gas tanks and had to rob a gas station and they had to steal a car?
 
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They may expect to be martyrs. Mendalla thinks it's a ploy to increase Muslim persecution and therefore help their recruitment drive for disaffected Muslim youth. Maybe there is something to that, but the attacks and attempted or planned attacks on cartoonists and authors over the years would indicate that if their real targets are not these artists, they're covering up their true intentions really, really well.
 
Waterfall said:
Is satire the same as sarcasm?
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Satire is the long view -- sarcasm is the short view?

Good satire can be really, really effective, too -- there are good reasons why, in history, blasphemy laws and monarchs would kill dissidents...

the highest ideal is satire that lasts after the satirist is dead

Look at the Bibble -- that babylonian king that certain people had big issues with -- they turned him into a character in the Bibble and people still believe in him to this day...Lucifer...

now THAT'S satire :3
 
Waterfall said:
What if we're wrong? What if it's not about satirical cartoons? What if the terrorists don't care about Mohammed being satired? What else could be on their agenda? Or whose agenda is it?

They found a drivers license in the car? Are the terrorists really that stupid....or smart? Didn't they magically find a terrorists passport from the buildings at 911 in the rubble too?

Oh and these are such well trained methodical killers, but whoops, they forgot to fill their gas tanks and had to rob a gas station and they had to steal a car?
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That's why its good for us to:

when we have little or no real information, to remain agnostic
when we do postulate a hypothesis, to have at least two that actually fit the data, the more hypotheses the better
to be able to discard hypotheses that don't fit 'new' data -- especially ones that we cherish
understand how we work (how our beliefs work, how our beliefs can be manipulated by others, etc)
be able to laugh at ourselves
 
My, how we love to stare at our own bellybuttons, and glory in our virtue. As murderous groups rank, Christians are the most murderous religious group in the history of the world. Two people kill twelve in France. Horror. Shock. Outrage. American drones kill more innocent people than that every day. Yawn. It doesn't even make the news.

The Muslims are trying to start a war? How can they? The war started centuries ago when the British conquered India, and played Hindus against Muslims to so divide the country that it had to become India and Pakistan with nuclear rockets aimed at each other. In the first world war, Britain elevated a gang of desert bandits to become the Royal family of Saudi Arabia, the world's strictest and most brutal dictatorship - and our good friends. Yep. That's what Lawrence of Arabia was really all about. Britain, France, Spain murdered their way through the arab world, especially after WW1. (and even before it.) They looted. They tortured. After WW2, they were kicked out of much of it, but only with heavy fighting (and torture.) The Europeans were extremely brutal. Despite the movies, the French Foreign Legion did not spent most of its time marching through the desert. It was a torturing and murdering gang of thugs, mercenaries from all over the western world. A standard trophy for it was a woman's breast made into a tobacco pouch. (Today, the American army relies heavily on similar thugs, "contracted" soldiers who are mercenaries.)

Muslim Iran was a democracy after WW2. The democracy was overthrown by the US and Britain which replaced it with a brutal dictator. After years of that, the Iranians had to the nerve to kick out the dictator and elect their own government. That's why the US hates Iran to this day. indeed, it paid Saddam Hussein to invade Iran in a dreadfully bloody war.

The US and Saudi Arabia organized and paid for a "civil war" in Syria that has killed hundreds of thousands and made millions of impoverished refugees. This is a part of a process going back to the 1940s when the US resolved to grab the old, European empires as the Europeans lost control of them. That bit largely explains the wars on Iraq and Libya.

Muslims want war? I doubt that very much. But they've got one, anyway.

Islam encourages war? Well, maybe. But the record shows that Christianity encourages it a lot more. The record also shows that Muslims and Jews lived together in Palestine for centuries in peace. That ended when the west took land away from Muslims, and gave it to European Jews. (They planted European Jews in Palestine in order to get them out of Europe and North America. Both Europe and North America were profoundly anti-semitic before, during, and for years after World War Two.
 
The problem with satire is that it appeals only to people who already agree with you. It rarely, if ever, changes minds or makes a situation clearer. With rare exceptions, it's the humour of louts.
 
Graeme Decarie said:
The problem with satire is that it appeals only to people who already agree with you. It rarely, if ever, changes minds or makes a situation clearer. With rare exceptions, it's the humour of louts.
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aren't all Canadians essentially satirical hobbits?

and yes, i agree that satire is cultural -- its like comedy -- know your audience
 
Graeme Decarie said:
The problem with satire is that it appeals only to people who already agree with you. It rarely, if ever, changes minds or makes a situation clearer. With rare exceptions, it's the humour of louts.
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I think satire has been partly responsible for the reduction in religiousity. Many powerful groups and people feel threatened by satire. It is one of the best peaceful methods we have of inciting change.
 
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Police officers in the United States, on average, kill one black man every 28 hours. Multinational corporations have leading roles in the disruption of the lives of tens of thousands of people or more every year in their quest for profit and power, including the deaths, injuries and oppression of hundreds of thousands of people. Drug wars in Latin America fed by the demands of individual Americans and Canadians are killing thousands of people every year. This thread was started in response to an event which ended in the deaths of 16 to 18 victims and 3 determined killers. chansen and Graeme have posted particularly thoughtful responses to that event. The kind of attention this event is receiving invites reflection on how this event is serving the agenda of people like Stephen Harper in their quest for power and control at the expense of the people they are supposed to be serving.
 
There is room enough in the world for everything; among activism, there isn't some kind of activism reservoir that is used up by different groups, and i chuckle at the groups who seem to act as if there is such a thing -- more silly tribalism (see the judean people's front skit in Life of Brian). that one's raising a voice against violence in Uganda does not mean that humanity is not raising a voice against violence in Canada or that someone raising up a voice against the violence in Israel does not mean that they have never raised a voice against violence in Palestine...

us writing aboot this does not take away from the people at Project Censored who write up yearly reports of news that didn't make the mainstream media

it doesn't take away from Amnesty International's good work

etc

there is no such thing as one BS that applies to everyone equally well with equal results
one can, however, learn how to switch between BS, to try others on, so one can go from a Harper Hater to a Corporation Lover to a Greenpeacer and see what happens

find your tribe, your fan club, and thrive, without expecting or needing others to follow you
try not to give in to cynicism (or, at least, be cynical aboot your cynicism)
there are at least two reasons (causes) that one can find for a geopolitical event and they both can be conflictualy true...
be a light and by your light others might find a way or even join in :3

and so it goes
 
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cMy fan club is out of here ... heretical bo' ch kind of a'mon qui ... but many can't deal with anything beyond the known and deny the other's IDe of Koine ... common sense? Is that underhanded understanding or just eD OEm-ism ...concern for the OEm or white noise created by collision of emotions and intellect? Something like Sisyphus ... to get over? Close to a hump in de night ... or general wide spread's crew up as angels and demons? Perspective is missionary or missal-like requiring cat a'pull't ... unlike pulled pork .. such is always about mortals! Word as an ideal=ism is something to question when people admire naïveté ... something to be ignorant about!

Is mankind just a weird point in the greater mined ... cause mole ogi call? Can you hear noise in the Shadow?
 
btw, my dad just told me aboot the latest in Paris

Look at these world leaders who showed up at this support of mockery and laughter and freedom of human burgeoning, the latest march in Paris:

Netanyahu
Ibraham Boubakar Keita of Mali
Angela Merkel
Mahmoud Abbas, Palestinian Authority
Donald Trusk, Eu council President


TAKE THAT, GREYFACE, YOU SHRIVELED MURDEROUS TWERP OF LIGHT!



I think this could be a thing -- this is what should have happened on Sept 11th. Not this paroxysm of paranoia and pain and fear

here's a link to the article http://www.timesofisrael.com/pmo-confirms-france-opposed-netanyahus-attendance-at-paris-rally/

here's to make a global village where our Jesuses, anyone can burgeon, can live, can laugh, can show that life is a delightful ride AND NOT BE MURDERED FOR IT

a-men
a-woman!
blessed be
 
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