TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

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Don't be starting that again, Jae. No matter what they call themselves, if a Jew believes that JC was the Messiah, they're Christian, not Jewish. Really, Judaism does not want them, nor accept them. It's a bit like the right wing of the UCCan and Gretta Vosper, EXCEPT WORSE.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Don't be starting that again, Jae. No matter what they call themselves, if a Jew believes that JC was the Messiah, they're Christian, not Jewish. Really, Judaism does not want them, nor accept them. It's a bit like the right wing of the UCCan and Gretta Vosper, EXCEPT WORSE.
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My friend who's Messianic Jewish considers herself Jewish. That's 'nuff said for me.
 
Pontifex Geronimo 13 said:
:) What one calls very limited, another may call accurate. Words are little signs designed to convey meaning.

When I say God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, Christian, Grace, Faith - words like that, my definition is in line with the bible's representation of the above. The Quran on the one hand affirms the bible's representation, while on the other rejects.

Example: The Quran says Jesus was not killed on a cross and raised from the dead and was not God. Christians are low lifes that are to be oppressed and made to pay Muslims.

So, when I say Jesus - it is not the Jesus of the quran, but the Jesus of the bible.
When I say Jesus, it is a wholly different person than who Chanson thinks it is. Or BetteTheRed or maybe you. I have met Jesus, just like airclean33 and millions others.

The bible is the only (not the book of Mormon) accurate portrait of who Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit are. And using it as the map to find them - your face is always looking in the right direction to see them. If you want to say Jesus did no miracles and is not the lamb of God. You will always be looking in the wrong direction at his approach and walk right by unless he stops you. And the more you reject about him, the further your gaze is away from him until there is not even the chance of a peripheral glance.

That is why there are so many cool testimonies of atheists who are at the end of their rope. They have always kept their back to Jesus - so they just have to stop and turn around and there he is right there. That is why I think it is easier for atheists to find Jesus than people who make up a different God.
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When a Muslim says Christ didn't die on the cross (and the story goes on) who lies more ... the Muslim or the Christian that is sure awareness is not alive to see his insides? Maybe the true Muslim sees into the dark side better!
 
Seeler said:
I realize that it makes no sense to speak of love and then confess that I have no patience with people who try to deny my Christian belief. it is a weakness of mine. Some people here have much more patience.
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Seeler,
Did you ever consider this display of hate for parts of God (eternal thing/non-thing) is some kind of cosmological humor from the eternal dark side? Night now ... I am off to imagine in the abstract sense ...
 
Spiritually, people are descendants of their cultural and spiritual ancestors. In reality, we're all descendents of Neanderthals and homosapiens. I think it's the pre-historic tribal tendencies that still need some working on.
 
As for the Donald...by some accounts from people who know him, he's not "really" as bigoted as he is putting across. I don't know if that's true and I don't think it's wise to assume that. But he will say anything, absolutely anything, and even lie through his teeth, to win. And I don't know which is worse. His hyperbole is dangerous and his opponents should be highlighting that it's dangerous, and why. And when they do, they will likely have to admit his hyperbole is the consequence of their fear and hate and divisive campaigns, now on steroids. And they will either have to have a change of heart, or the GOP falls down.
 
The power needed to win does odd things to people ...

KC Irving said in Citizen Irving that power was all that counted ... and thus little, lesser, power, of humility to what allows that to occur ...

Tis a dark string ...
 
Kimmio said:
As for the Donald...by some accounts from people who know him, he's not "really" as bigoted as he is putting across. I don't know if that's true and I don't think it's wise to assume that. But he will say anything, absolutely anything, and even lie through his teeth, to win. And I don't know which is worse. His hyperbole is dangerous and his opponents should be highlighting that it's dangerous, and why. And when they do, they will likely have to admit his hyperbole is the consequence of their fear and hate and divisive campaigns, now on steroids. And they will either have to have a change of heart, or the GOP falls down.
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It doesn't matter who wins.

 
I didn't watch the video. It's still too early on Saturday morning here. Coffee hasn't quite reached my brain.

I agree that rich people can play tricks, especially mega-rich...Trump is the epitome of that, in a cartoonish way. In a real Gotham kind of way. It's weird. He's like a Hollywood movie villain. He's a rich gambler - at the highest (or lowest depending on perspective), level. Even his name is satirical. The only people that have ruffled his feathers, taken him down a notch, are Netanyahu and the Israeli parliament - Trump wouldn't dare talk back. And now a Prince of Saud - a benevolent prince in the family trying to champion women's rights and avowed to donating his inhereted fortune to charity. Donald called him names - but his money has distorted the man, and it won't get him anywhere once people start divesting from all his businesses. I think that is the only thing he'll "feel". The only thing that'll get through his Teflon. Because the Presidency doesn't pay enough and he doesn't want to lose it all.

Despite all that crap, there is a parallel stream of good things happening and he won't "win".

I have no say in U.S. Elections, can't vote, so I just sit here and observe.
 
What I think is, that regardless of the political process, if there are people at high levels around the world that don't want him in, they will not let him in. They'll block him somehow. He's making friends out of foes right now - Iran and the west equally dislike him, as does Russia - ok, no, maybe Putin likes him for now. I can't keep track. Even France's far right party disagrees with him.. They will ensure it doesn't happen. I don't know if they see him as a real danger or a pain in the rear but if they don't want him to win, he won't. But, even following the democratic polical process - minorities that he has discriminated against will not let him win at the voting booth and his money is of no consequence to them.
 
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Some of Trump's earlier antics have been so bizarre they're hilarious, like getting in on the Starbuck's Christmas cup controversy. I can't help but wonder if he's a clever ruse. He just magnifies, satirizes, all the negative stereotypes about right wing Americans, by being himself - he's been handing material to comedians, writing their material for them. It's always the Republicans that are the funniest. But, he's crossed a line that the rest of the world, beyond his base, isn't laughing at.
 
I hate to say it, but I'm kind of with Trump on his dustup with with a wealthy Saudi prince. The prince took a shot at Trump, calling him a disgrace to his country. The Donald, not surprisingly, shot back; accusing the prince of using "Daddy's money" to buy US politicians and saying he would bring that to an end. Given that I am an advocate of the West cutting ties with the Saudis for any number of reasons (the likelihood that at least some Saudi money is flowing to Al Qaeda and maybe even ISIL, their human rights record, etc.), I can't really fault Trump this time, even if it would not be even close to enough to get me to vote for him were I eligible to do so.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ed-bin-talal-donald-trump-disgrace-to-country
 
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