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I notice in the article you linked to that both Paul Ryan (Speaker of the House) and Mitch McConnell (Senate Majority Leader) - both Republicans - said they'll support whoever the eventual Republican nominee is, and they didn't add the words "unless it's Donald Trump."

Facts:

Trump's a serious candidate. I doubt that he can win the Republican nomination, but the primary system is a strange one. It's not out of the question. The polls show him competitive with Clinton if he does - with definitely well over 40% of the vote. That, in itself, says something very disturbing about American society right now. Many Americans, for all their bravado, are terrified to the point of irrationality and paranoia, and Trump is both feeding that and riding it. It's a disfunctional symbiotic relationship.

By the way, regardless of what anyone says right now, if by some chance Trump were to be elected he wouldn't be banned from the UK or any other significant nation. He'd be the president of the United States. You'd have to deal with him, like it or not, although it's not likely Cameron, Trudeau or anybody else would be rushing to get tbeihr pictures taken with him.
 
revsdd said:
I notice in the article you linked to that both Paul Ryan (Speaker of the House) and Mitch McConnell (Senate Majority Leader) - both Republicans - said they'll support whoever the eventual Republican nominee is, and they didn't add the words "unless it's Donald Trump."

Facts:

Trump's a serious candidate. I doubt that he can win the Republican nomination, but the primary system is a strange one. It's not out of the question. The polls show him competitive with Clinton if he does - with definitely well over 40% of the vote. That, in itself, says something very disturbing about American society right now. Many Americans, for all their bravado, are terrified to the point of irrationality and paranoia, and Trump is both feeding that and riding it. It's a disfunctional symbiotic relationship.

By the way, regardless of what anyone says right now, if by some chance Trump were to be elected he wouldn't be banned from the UK or any other significant nation. He'd be the president of the United States. You'd have to deal with him, like it or not, although it's not likely Cameron, Trudeau or anybody else would be rushing to get tbeihr pictures taken with him.
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If he becomes president - but it works against his campaign that an international businessman is being proposed to be banned from overseas countries that he would be doing business with. Not a favourable "optics" position. The UK says "You're fired!" How about that? ;) Not to mention, his personal businesses will suffer from boycotts - and he cares about that.
 
I dont think the uproar works against him at all

It only shows Americans that " the media" or " the elites" or " those who want to tell me what i cant do" are out to get us/me/my country.......

I think , as others have said, he is tapping into a real deep fear of "others". Those others might be blacks, youth, or mexicans or muslems but they can also be bankers , internet users, or east coasters. And blacks can just as easiky fear others. Whites, mexicans..... Everyone fears something

We already know how divided the country is electirally. The red states and blue states. And so far, party loyalty is a big voter issue. "I may not like him but he is my candidate so he gets my vote....."

And dont kid yourself that in some way "minorities" are a voting block. Just like whites are not a voting block. Nor are women.....

Many Americans see their country in trouble. Many view that as the fault of Obama. Many would like someone who will kick ass around the world

Trump is their guy


And those people who want to kick ass are more widely spread than you think


For some reason he has tapped into a real antigovernment, anti politician vein. The same way Rob Ford did


Obama, a first term junior senator tapped into social media and won. Trump has tapped into entertainment tv. It is interesting to watch. After Obama, i figured political tv was dead. Very wrong and he is using it well
 
But i hope that Americans begin to realise that they are better people than Trump believes and that they toss him out. Not sure Clinton will be very good, but he will be a disaster
 
Do people in the majority like circuses? But it is like walking a thin line and becoming a non-existent medium ... that dividing point between left and right ... and all the fascists know they are right ...

What does that leave? Thus we're out of it ... because of that lion given as an icon ... the bones of a ridiculous abstract? ... Sam's one ... some say owned as possessed with something of avarice ... poorly understood when you're right in it!

Is a lion, or lyre, a line formed by a point in motion? Thus it flies ... these can land on the Wahl and observe ...
 
Kimmio said:
If he becomes president - but it works against his campaign that an international businessman is being proposed to be banned from overseas countries that he would be doing business with. Not a favourable "optics" position. The UK says "You're fired!" How about that? ;) Not to mention, his personal businesses will suffer from boycotts - and he cares about that.
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Kimmio, most Americans - certainly those who might support Trump - couldn't care less about what the British, Canadians, French or anyone else think. This doesn't hurt Trump at all. It actually boosts his stock among that element of American society that sees America as the best and thinks everybody else should either be like them or go to hell. And, frankly, I think that's a larger constituency than you might think.
 
revsdd said:
Kimmio, most Americans - certainly those who might support Trump - couldn't care less about what the British, Canadians, French or anyone else think. This doesn't hurt Trump at all. It actually boosts his stock among that element of American society that sees America as the best and thinks everybody else should either be like them or go to hell. And, frankly, I think that's a larger constituency than you might think.
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Would this have something to do with isolationism, island mentality or just Je Rick O? From which we get the word ricochet ... something to bounce off the walls of the eternal psyche? In some praxis this is echo or even ego ... the ability to reflect mentally ... autocrats don't like it ... a good AUM'r could bring the walls down with resonance ...
 
Luce NDs said:
Would this have something to do with isolationism, island mentality or just Je Rick O? From which we get the word ricochet ... something to bounce off the walls of the eternal psyche? In some praxis this is echo or even ego ... the ability to reflect mentally ... autocrats don't like it ... a good AUM'r could bring the walls down with resonance ...
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Actually it has nothing to do with isolationism. It has to do with the concept of "American exceptionalism." The idea for many Americans is "we're the best and everybody should be just like us, and where we can we'll try to make them just like us and where we can't who cares about them and where they don't like admitting that we're the best they can go to hell."
 
Is an exception not separate from the moral pool? One could take a dunken over that ... and thus the whet ...

Whet is a down under thingy ... quite sublime for the shades of green Eerie ... a spot that represents trepidation to the majority that suffers fear of spaces diminishing ... then there is the opposing agoraphobia ... thus one goes on ... out there ... in near space?! Tis an illusion ...
 
revsdd said:
Kimmio, most Americans - certainly those who might support Trump - couldn't care less about what the British, Canadians, French or anyone else think. This doesn't hurt Trump at all. It actually boosts his stock among that element of American society that sees America as the best and thinks everybody else should either be like them or go to hell. And, frankly, I think that's a larger constituency than you might think.
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He's got a narrow base and he's not going to be able to expand it. He has alienated just about every minority group. Although his numbers are higher than expected they're not enough. I don't think he will win the primary, and really don't think he'll win the presidency. If Hillary got moved aside, Sanders could win, rather than Trump. Besides, someone else could still beat Trump in the GOP race. If most of the losing candidates dropped out there'd be fewer choices and they'd move to anyone but Trump. Right now there are too many GOP candidates spreading the votes out. But I think we'll start to see them drop out and an alternative to Trump emerge.
 
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Kimmio said:
He's got a narrow base and he's not going to be able to expand it. He has alienated just about every minority group. Although his numbers are higher than expected they're not enough. I don't think he will win the primary, and really don't think he'll win the presidency. If Hillary got moved aside, Sanders could win, rather than Trump. Besides, someone else could still beat Trump in the GOP race. If most of the losing candidates dropped out there'd be fewer choices and they'd move to anyone but Trump. Right now there are too many GOP candidates spreading the votes out. But I think we'll start to see them drop out and an alternative emerge.
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But more and more of those are going to drop off as donors start directing money to people that they think can actually win. By the time of the actual convention, I could see it being down to just Trump, Carson, Cruz, and maybe Rubio and Bush. If Trump flames out, Carson and Cruz will be there to carry on the right wing crazy so even losing him does not guarantee sanity in the GOP. It is sad to say that Jeb Bush, the brother of the guy who f***ed up Afghanistan and Iraq, is the sanest GOP candidate but Bush is. Rubio isn't bad either, though he does veer so-con on enough issues that I'd be leery of him winning. At least he can deliver the Latin vote (as can Bush to some degree since he's actually being reasonably moderate on immigration).
 
Mendalla said:
But more and more of those are going to drop off as donors start directing money to people that they think can actually win. By the time of the actual convention, I could see it being down to just Trump, Carson, Cruz, and maybe Rubio and Bush. If Trump flames out, Carson and Cruz will be there to carry on the right wing crazy so even losing him does not guarantee sanity in the GOP. It is sad to say that Jeb Bush, the brother of the guy who f***ed up Afghanistan and Iraq is the sanest GOP candidate, but Bush is. Rubio isn't bad either, though he does veer so-con on enough issues that I'd be leery of him winning.
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They may be all just as bad as Trump, just less obnoxiously outspoken.
 
Kimmio said:
He's got a narrow base and he's not going to be able to expand it. He has alienated just about every minority group. Although his numbers are higher than expected they're not enough. I don't think he will win the primary, and really don't think he'll win the presidency. If Hillary got moved aside, Sanders could win, rather than Trump. Besides, someone else could still beat Trump in the GOP race. If most of the losing candidates dropped out there'd be fewer choices and they'd move to anyone but Trump. Right now there are too many GOP candidates spreading the votes out. But I think we'll start to see them drop out and an alternative to Trump emerge.
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I think you're probably right. He won't win. The theory about the narrowness of his base, however, is confounded by the fact that when polls pit him one on one against Hilary Clinton, those polls show that Republicans will vote Republican, even if that means voting for Trump. If he were to win the nomination, he'll get the 45% of the vote that the Republicans will get regardless. The question is whether he could pick up the other 2-3% that would make him truly competitive. But there doesn't seem to be much evidence that Republicans will vote for the Democrats (or even that they won't vote at all) is, by chance, the Donald wins the nomination.
 
Mendalla said:
But more and more of those are going to drop off as donors start directing money to people that they think can actually win. By the time of the actual convention, I could see it being down to just Trump, Carson, Cruz, and maybe Rubio and Bush. If Trump flames out, Carson and Cruz will be there to carry on the right wing crazy so even losing him does not guarantee sanity in the GOP. It is sad to say that Jeb Bush, the brother of the guy who f***ed up Afghanistan and Iraq, is the sanest GOP candidate but Bush is. Rubio isn't bad either, though he does veer so-con on enough issues that I'd be leery of him winning. At least he can deliver the Latin vote (as can Bush to some degree since he's actually being reasonably moderate on immigration).
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They're probably having a huddle right now asking people to voluntarily drop out so that they can build one of them up to take on Trump. If the remainder of voters not voting for Trump got behind the other guy, he would win the primary.
 
Lastpointe said:
I dont think the uproar works against him at all

It only shows Americans that " the media" or " the elites" or " those who want to tell me what i cant do" are out to get us/me/my country.......

I think , as others have said, he is tapping into a real deep fear of "others". Those others might be blacks, youth, or mexicans or muslems but they can also be bankers , internet users, or east coasters. And blacks can just as easiky fear others. Whites, mexicans..... Everyone fears something

We already know how divided the country is electirally. The red states and blue states. And so far, party loyalty is a big voter issue. "I may not like him but he is my candidate so he gets my vote....."

And dont kid yourself that in some way "minorities" are a voting block. Just like whites are not a voting block. Nor are women.....

Many Americans see their country in trouble. Many view that as the fault of Obama. Many would like someone who will kick ass around the world

Trump is their guy


And those people who want to kick ass are more widely spread than you think


For some reason he has tapped into a real antigovernment, anti politician vein. The same way Rob Ford did


Obama, a first term junior senator tapped into social media and won. Trump has tapped into entertainment tv. It is interesting to watch. After Obama, i figured political tv was dead. Very wrong and he is using it well
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In the U.S. whites are a voting block, as are blacks, Hispanics, women, religious right, religious left...and every other minority and demographic. Yes, they are. Not kidding myself. They're all voting blocks in specific states, to politicians down there. In almost the same way advertisers have target markets. They see their country as a whole divided among demographics.
 
Kimmio said:
True. But they take their civil rights, and their security, seriously - and Trump is becoming, more clearly, a threat to both.
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Security, they take seriously. On the ground, civil rights, not so much. That's why they need to have such an active ACLU. There's heavily-armed cops and border patrols up the ying-yang and also, many rules to go with. You definitely don't want to qualify for any sort of social assistance without being willing to give up all of your privacy as well as most of your rights.
 
revsdd said:
Actually it has nothing to do with isolationism. It has to do with the concept of "American exceptionalism." The idea for many Americans is "we're the best and everybody should be just like us, and where we can we'll try to make them just like us and where we can't who cares about them and where they don't like admitting that we're the best they can go to hell."
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Rand Paul tapped into isolationist sentiment. But the GOP generally do pump the exceptionalism. More, I think than the Dems do.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Security, they take seriously. On the ground, civil rights, not so much. That's why they need to have such an active ACLU. There's heavily-armed cops and border patrols up the ying-yang and also, many rules to go with. You definitely don't want to qualify for any sort of social assistance without being willing to give up all of your privacy as well as most of your rights.
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Racial inequality and blatant bigotry they take seriously. The civil rights movement grew out of the U.S. More recently, Ferguson, Black Lives Matter...When those civil rights are slipping, they stand up and say something. Minority groups don't take sh*t lying down there. They have strong communities. They protest. They also rally together to stand up to an antagonist (WBC?). And they finally managed to overcome the antagonism from the religious right in getting same sex marriage passed in every state. They don't give up on equality, no matter how long it takes. So, I can hear people in living rooms across America, talking at Trump via their TV sets, saying, "Oh no you don't!" We scoff at them for being brash, assume they're out to lunch ... But there are a lot of things about American people, and their resiliency, to be admired.
 
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