What Legacy Does Trump Leave?

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Oh and don't know if I mentioned this before but I have friends here in our village (and otherwise) who support Trump (don't think they would vote for him) because they think he is the current best human to deal with the Current Global Problem. One of them believes in evil aliens who are either trying to gack us all or enslave us (and the Evil Globalists are their minions?). Another one is a practicing Buddhist. I love human beings and I learn a lot by being able to listen and be with them. All kinds here in this village.
 
Aand something I was concerned aboot I think is happening; that those who are REALLY anxious aboot Trump, if he were to gack tomorrow these people will still be anxious and afraid, because there are "more" people of scary persuasion

I think this is a product of the past few years. of all this constant trauma, Low Vibration News, etc, deranging people...

Just like I suspect of those who adore Trump, like when will His goals end? There will be More "evildoers" to smite and stop

Anyway, thoughts that happen, like the weather, they arise, linger, and disappear...
 
Delightful Life said:
Aand something I was concerned aboot I think is happening; that those who are REALLY anxious aboot Trump, if he were to gack tomorrow these people will still be anxious and afraid, because there are "more" people of scary persuasion

I think this is a product of the past few years. of all this constant trauma, Low Vibration News, etc, deranging people...

Just like I suspect of those who adore Trump, like when will His goals end? There will be More "evildoers" to smite and stop

Anyway, thoughts that happen, like the weather, they arise, linger, and disappear...
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I've been arguing this for a while. Trump is not the disease, but the most pronounced symptom. The disease runs far deeper than just him and has probably been developing since at least the end of the Cold War, if not earlier. Some might argue for it going all the way back to the start of the Cold War post WWII. It's partisan politics, extreme nationalism, religious fundamentalism, all of which come out of a general tendency to put ourselves in echo chambers along with a kind of "nostalgia" for a world we imagine existed but likely never did or a reaction to a world we imagine exists but, again, is not really what we imagine. I would argue that Alberta and Quebec separatism is a manifestation of the same thing, esp. the latest iterations.
 
I don’t think we can put it down to that, because he and his strategist ‘team’ really changed mindsets - really, transformed, but not in a good way. All over the world. The way people consume process information so that they really live in 2 different, conflicting worlds. He’s waged war on journalism and science and education and promoted hate loudly - all of these things have become the new normal to either accept or dispute - and we’ve all become acclimatized to living under these conditions while they creep further into the worse. In some cases he’s made pre-existing divisions grow further apart by his MO, in others, he’s created them while the world scrambles around doing damage control as he puts pressure on everything everywhere - just exhausting and breaking everything down. Either way I don’t see a better ‘world order’ being able to happen while he’s in office. He’s just going to keep being him. Once he isn’t there, maybe the world healing process - it’ll be a process - can start.

If another Republican had been elected president I might be agreeing with you.
 
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Tom Homan just officially announced the full withdrawal of ICE from Minneapolis.

Key details from Homan's announcement and related reporting:
  • He stated that President Trump concurred with his proposal to conclude the operation due to its claimed success (over 4,000 arrests, improved coordination with some local/state officials).
  • A "significant drawdown" of agents is already underway and will continue into next week, with most surge personnel returning to their home stations or reassigned elsewhere.
  • Normal ICE operations will continue in Minnesota at pre-surge levels (around 100-150 agents typically present, not thousands).
  • Homan himself and a small number of personnel will stay briefly to oversee the wind-down and transition.
 
WhyCzar said:
Tom Homan just officially announced the full withdrawal of ICE from Minneapolis.

Key details from Homan's announcement and related reporting:
  • He stated that President Trump concurred with his proposal to conclude the operation due to its claimed success (over 4,000 arrests, improved coordination with some local/state officials).
  • A "significant drawdown" of agents is already underway and will continue into next week, with most surge personnel returning to their home stations or reassigned elsewhere.
  • Normal ICE operations will continue in Minnesota at pre-surge levels (around 100-150 agents typically present, not thousands).
  • Homan himself and a small number of personnel will stay briefly to oversee the wind-down and transition.
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Well that’s good but it shouldn’t have happened and it’s left the city and the families it hurt, traumatized. Is it going to stop, or repeat in other cities?
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
I don’t think we can put it down to that, because he and his strategist ‘team’ really changed mindsets - really, transformed, but not in a good way. All over the world. The way people consume process information so that they really live in 2 different, conflicting worlds. He’s waged war on journalism and science and education and promoted hate loudly - all of these things have become the new normal to either accept or dispute - and we’ve all become acclimatized to living under these conditions while they creep further into the worse. In some cases he’s made pre-existing divisions grow further apart by his MO, in others, he’s created them while the world scrambles around doing damage control as he puts pressure on everything everywhere - just exhausting and breaking everything down. Either way I don’t see a better ‘world order’ being able to happen while he’s in office. He’s just going to keep being him. Once he isn’t there, maybe the world healing process - it’ll be a process - can start.

If another Republican had been elected president I might be agreeing with you.
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I don't entirely disagree, but I am arguing that in a world that lacked a disintegrating social discourse, Trump could not be elected. He is definitely pushing the boundaries of things further, but he is not the starting point.
 
WhyCzar said:
Tom Homan just officially announced the full withdrawal of ICE from Minneapolis.

Key details from Homan's announcement and related reporting:
  • He stated that President Trump concurred with his proposal to conclude the operation due to its claimed success (over 4,000 arrests, improved coordination with some local/state officials).
  • A "significant drawdown" of agents is already underway and will continue into next week, with most surge personnel returning to their home stations or reassigned elsewhere.
  • Normal ICE operations will continue in Minnesota at pre-surge levels (around 100-150 agents typically present, not thousands).
  • Homan himself and a small number of personnel will stay briefly to oversee the wind-down and transition.
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Ha, must be starting the groundwork for the bi- election until it's over.
 
Mendalla said:
I don't entirely disagree, but I am arguing that in a world that lacked a disintegrating social discourse, Trump could not be elected. He is definitely pushing the boundaries of things further, but he is not the starting point.
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Fair enough. The opportunity was seized, though, to “transform” the world order in the direction he took it.
 
I see they've turned over the ice officers that killed the two protesters in Minnesota .Some are now crying foul because they have South American names and are said to be taking the fall....I don't actually know, how would the average person know? what's real?
 
Waterfall said:
I see they've turned over the ice officers that killed the two protesters in Minnesota .Some are now crying foul because they have South American names and are said to be taking the fall....I don't actually know, how would the average person know? what's real?
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The average person can’t, they’ll make sure. Just more smoke and mirrors, probably.
 
Mendalla said:
I've been arguing this for a while. Trump is not the disease, but the most pronounced symptom. The disease runs far deeper than just him and has probably been developing since at least the end of the Cold War, if not earlier. Some might argue for it going all the way back to the start of the Cold War post WWII. It's partisan politics, extreme nationalism, religious fundamentalism, all of which come out of a general tendency to put ourselves in echo chambers along with a kind of "nostalgia" for a world we imagine existed but likely never did or a reaction to a world we imagine exists but, again, is not really what we imagine. I would argue that Alberta and Quebec separatism is a manifestation of the same thing, esp. the latest iterations.
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i grok
i'm worried that enuf of us are so demented/traumatized/propagandized that there will be no end to the "enemy", whether that is of Team Trump or Team Evil Globalists. i saw how enough ordinary people during the pandemic became authoritarian fascists...almost as if a program had been inserted...
we need more rationality, mindfulness and empathy and compassion, something that one can't just willpower one's way into...esp when strong feelings are behind them (so that rational discussion becomes impossible or less cf. antiVaxxers during the Pandemic or Communists during BLM...)
its so easy to get dragged down into Lower Vibration thinking
Waterfall said:
I see they've turned over the ice officers that killed the two protesters in Minnesota .Some are now crying foul because they have South American names and are said to be taking the fall....I don't actually know, how would the average person know? what's real?
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You mean Renee Nicole Good and Alex Pretti?
 
Oh and I intentionally watched Trump's two speeches at Davos forcing myself to be as open as possible (because I find him to be so Low Vibration)

and I liked them

I could see the actual statesman part of him

His Peace Board helped me Hope.
I liked to see so many countries signed up and hope for some more. Hoped for Canada -- I'm guessing Carney is waiting a suitable amount of time before signing on

Peace and Joy to you
 
Delightful Life said:
i grok
i'm worried that enuf of us are so demented/traumatized/propagandized that there will be no end to the "enemy", whether that is of Team Trump or Team Evil Globalists. i saw how enough ordinary people during the pandemic became authoritarian fascists...almost as if a program had been inserted...
we need more rationality, mindfulness and empathy and compassion, something that one can't just willpower one's way into...esp when strong feelings are behind them (so that rational discussion becomes impossible or less cf. antiVaxxers during the Pandemic or Communists during BLM...)
its so easy to get dragged down into Lower Vibration thinking

You mean Renee Nicole Good and Alex Pretti?
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Yes, the victims were Renee Good and Alex Pretti.
The shooters were named as...Jesus Ochs and Raymundo Gutierrez
 
WhyCzar said:
Thomas Massie?
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In regards to the Epstein files, he’s trying to do the right thing by the victims and expose powerful people for their possible roles instead of dragging it on and getting nowhere.

I don't know what his other policy positions are though, and they are important too. What’s his opinion of ICE? Where is he with civil rights, disability rights? lgbtq rights? Racism? Homelessness? Mass shootings and gun laws? Policing? Middle East? Ukraine? Etc. I hadn’t read about him until now.

Also, on the plus side, first impression is that he doesn’t seem like the kind of guy who would start WW3 and do everything to secure authoritarian control of the entire country and world by extension, if his name came up in the files. Whereas, Trump is erratic that way. Different personality types matter.

If the world goes to war, a lot of people will die, including kids. Women get raped, kids subjected to various forms of abuse, abducted, abandoned, orphaned. Violent power goes rabid. It’s happening as we speak, somewhere in the world, already. So although the Epstein files are important for holding powers accountable, the other issues are important for that, too.
 
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