How do you explain the Trinity to kids?

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blackbelt1961 said:
before creation? who is equally opposite ?
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Before creation there was just the Godhead. Then, in and through the act of Creating, the Godhead split Itself into Creator/Creating/Created while remaining the Godhead. The three-as-one or three-in-one are the Godhead; the three in separation are Creator and the power of Creating and that which was/is Created. And the separation is as true as the unification, but the unification is the greater truth.

Clear as mud, eh? ;)
 
Hermann said:
Before creation there was just the Godhead. Then, in and through the act of Creating, the Godhead split Itself into Creator/Creating/Created while remaining the Godhead. The three-as-one or three-in-one are the Godhead; the three in separation are Creator and the power of Creating and that which was/is Created. And the separation is as true as the unification, but the unification is the greater truth.

Clear as mud, eh? ;)
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hmmmm, thats not what i asked, the question was , ( i know you avoiding it ;))

before anything ever was , who is equally opposite to the Creator? Godhead ect ?
 
blackbelt1961 said:
hmmmm, thats not what i asked, the question was , ( i know you avoiding it ;))

before anything ever was , who is equally opposite to the Creator? Godhead ect ?
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I thought I answered it: Before anything was, there was just the Godhead. No opposites. When IT split Itself into Creator and Created, then IT created opposites.
 
Some things creep up on you and permeate everything ... sort of like an advocate that would say ... perhaps you should think more about that before action? And if God is in, of, with, behind all things is he behind the demons as advocated?
 
unconditional love is a good moral theme - but that is not the entire purpose of the gospels or Paul's letters. To be very clear- the idea of a Trinity is very complicated and children will not comprehend it. Hence the focus of only Jesus stories in Sunday school. It is a very complicated presentation of theism, in the way of monotheism, when there are three which is one.
 
Should love be restrained when brutal forces overcome the peaceful ... leads to muses and Gods of logi ... LOGOS as a powerful log? No bones about it ... Os, or Oz is an old word for power ... and thus the support system for the myth ... weird curiosities like life in a vast inert domain? It is a show stopper ... like Bung in comedy drew-ID out to get at the whine!

That's word for yah ... on a ying?
 
if God is the ultimate Creator, God creates everything -good and bad; that then, brings into the discussion - free will, which explains both the good and the bad actions in humans and nature, but contradicts a benevolent God, in whose image all is created. that is tricky to try to explain.
 
I have really no idea of how children can handle these ideas
I think it takes a lifetime of questioning and reading and personal challenges to figure it out
but I also think it takes really great Sunday school teachers in church to teach social justice and caring, in the tradition of NT stories - that will go a lot farther than trying to untangle the Trinity
 
redhead said:
unconditional love is a good moral theme - but that is not the entire purpose of the gospels or Paul's letters.
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I was not talking about Paul but the words of Christ


To be very clear- the idea of a Trinity is very complicated and children will not comprehend it. Hence the focus of only Jesus stories in Sunday school.
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my Sunday school teaching was that Jesus was God , did i believe it as a kind, not really , yet the faith was taught


It is a very complicated presentation of theism, in the way of monotheism, when there are three which is one.
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yes it is, fact is, its still a part of our faith
 
redhead said:
if God is the ultimate Creator, God creates everything -good and bad;
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God did not create bad, bad is a by product of the absence of the Good , aka God , they are not opposite

that then, brings into the discussion - free will, which explains both the good and the bad actions in humans and nature, but contradicts a benevolent God, in whose image all is created. that is tricky to try to explain.
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to a child , many things are hard to teach, yet we don't stop trying , and even when they learn a taught lesson, it still does not mean thay have the understanding , maturity needs to take place
 
flawed argument blackbelt; if God is the Creator of all things, that includes Bad. Otherwise, it means he is not the Creator of everything great and small, and is not the Creator of All, from plankton to human and the rest of the world.
 
redhead said:
flawed argument blackbelt; if God is the Creator of all things, that includes Bad. Otherwise, it means he is not the Creator of everything great and small, and is not the Creator of All, from plankton to human and the rest of the world.
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because God has the power to remove His Goodness and allow life in His absence , does not mean evil is created,,,, example

cold and hot seem equally apposite but in fact they are not, cold is simply the absents of heat , in fact cold is measures but how much heat exists

same thing with Light and Dark, they are not opposites , darkness is the absence of Light , darkness can not be created, it is the void state of light

Evil is not opposite of God it is the absence of God , we commit evil acts (sin) when we act in absence of God , and that is the definition of what sin is , missing the mark
 
blackbelt1961 said:
im not sure what you mean
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The idea that Jesus is created by God is the heresy labelled Arianism.

The Patrick references are from the Lutheran Satire video I shared initially.
 
my apologies blackelt. The you understand clearly the differences within the synoptic gospels and Paul's letters, and how the Christian church was established, and by whom. I am sorry if I offended you in any way - never my intention. So I guess then that the first Nicaea Council fixed it all up nicely.
 
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