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I was involved on other social media for awhile with others opposed - I met people online - but I didnt like how the platform we used was designed for conflict. Either conflict or preaching to the choir, rarely any discussion, mostly pronouncements. That’s all it’s designed for because of the word count. It drove me bananas. And maybe I wasn’t the right fit because I am still at least mainstream adjacent even though I’m not mainstream - and felt not radical enough or something. You’re not supposed to admit that lol, I feel like. I’m neither mainstream or totally educated from the same perspective as my peers involved and I don’t want to change my whole personality - I actually don’t want to make enemies because I disagree with someone, believe it or not (and some platforms are designed to do that too). I don’t have to respect some opinions or engage them, but I don’t “hate” the people.

I’m also not an academic with credentials that allow me to kind of sit above the scrapping. And I’m not uninformed either.

I’m a misfit among misfits lol. That’s how I feel. I just am who I am. Don’t know where to go forward with this. But it’s too important to give up on.
 
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I’ve also spoken to all my friends about it. Many times. For years. Family members. Most people who I talk to more than once, or for any decent length of time, I talk about it. That’s how I try to get it out there for discussion. I don’t know if it makes a damn bit of difference in raising awareness or changing minds but it does take a mental and emotional toll on me.
 
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I’ve probably reached more people just talking about the issue almost everywhere I go, than I could in any more formal way, but I don’t know if I’ve ever made a positive difference. If people hear and share some of these concerns and discuss them with others, then yes, the ball is in the air, and that’s positive. If not then it’s kind of pointless. But maybe I’ll never know.
 
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Conflict resolution among a conflicted populace is a tough pathology! One has to get outside the emotional aura to observe and those conditioned to believe thinking, intellect and logic are evil tend to the resolution that mindful stuff is evil and stressful thus a human fault ...

Enigma to resolve? There we go again ... it is suspected that humanity has passed through many initiations of this sort ... the left may be the only domain left for thought ... far from the rites of vengeance!

In relating to my Scandinavian (Sami) heritage I can see where the concept of an isolated god erupted from nothing ... but the mental domain ... it is so low on the scale of emotions as to be a negative 1! Distinctly distant ... knowledge and wisdom is a great reach ... go for it!

This may wear the icon ... ʘ ... a circular point to be made? We come round to it and they take off ...
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
I’ve probably reached more people just talking about the issue almost everywhere I go, than I could in any more formal way, but I don’t know if I’ve ever made a positive difference. If people hear and share some of these concerns and discuss them with others, then yes, the ball is in the air, and that’s positive. If not then it’s kind of pointless. But maybe I’ll never know.
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Kimmio you have had an impact on me and my thinking for sure. Probably not to the extent you hope for but you have opened my eyes to certain things.

And you are not alone with these concerns. Canada has attracted international attention to its MAiD laws which tells us something.

But I don't believe you represent more than a section of the community affected by Canada's approach to MAiD.

The developmental sector, cancer survivors and elderly people with dementia all bring different nuances to the discussion. And probably other groups I am not even thinking about right now.

There are some umbrella issues though and I thank you for bringing them to our attention.

It's too bad we don't have a blog section on WC2. I'm sure you could write an excellent blog if you put your mind to it. Take care. I don't want to argue with you.
 
I referred to some roots of Nordic word yesterday and it is interesting of how some of these weave among our lack of understanding when we take them as solid edifices instead of flowing as insubstantial ... like words for ills and veils ... designation as pointing to up there ... and what's come down!

May be source of why life is chaotic ... swirling Eire ... dissonant by times! A mass of the paradigm cannot see themselves clear ... collective density? Imagine the essence of the initiation ...

The Nords (V-Kings) had a thing for protective dells ... where water descended ... sometimes misty ... thus clouded vision Eire ... you really didn't wish to know about ... hoar frosty crisis!

The descent continues ... plots, plans and conspiracies thicken ... people get callous ... resolution? Adepts ... hard shell reciprocation oyster dishes ...

Something to look at from out there ... the entire thing creeps ... tinctures, etc. back off ... mitochondria 'L material ... ineffable as very fleshy ... there's a story behind that ... nonetheless mythical! Why? Because we don't like to hear of it coming together ... there's considerable disliked rearrangement ...

All this from RNA, DNA and other portions ... even mRNA as carriers ... supporting systems? Individuals believe they do it all alone ... some even are required to try due to predominance of those that believe they are Herculean ... avarice is metaphorical to control theorist! Requires some serene time ... Serenity Prey 'r ... the Moe 'n?

Immortal bite and chewing ... conflict is bitter! So it goes ... because it cannot take life of Charon ... alternates are consumed! Accounts for II's, III's, V's, M's and Λ's once seen as Lambda ... de lite? Just clipped ... after spinning's, etc. Patchwork ... broken character ... a lighter ration ... word be had as if blown through a tube ...

Epistemological hollow or dell?
 
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In Canada, "disability" broadly encompasses any impairment, whether physical, mental, intellectual, cognitive, learning, sensory, or a functional limitation, that, when interacting with societal barriers, hinders a person's full and equal participation. This includes both visible and non-visible disabilities. The definition is complex and evolving, with different programs and services potentially using varying interpretations.
According to Consolidated Acts

Seniors also develop disabilities as they age. The definition is not restricted by age.

The developmental sector? Do you mean those representing intellectually disabled people?

They’re the biggest. I certainly don’t represent them but we’re on the same page. They are very active on this issue and I agree with thrm:

About Inclusion Canada | Inclusion Canada

Inclusion Canada is a national federation of people with an intellectual disability, their families, allies, and organizations working to advance the full inclusion and human rights of people with an intellectual disability.
inclusioncanada.ca inclusioncanada.ca

The coalition of different organizations mounting a Supreme Court challenge are here listed on this page.
The coalition includes national disability organizations Inclusion Canada, the Council of Canadians with Disabilities (CCD), Indigenous Disability Canada (IDC/BCANDS), and DAWN Canada, as well as two individuals who have been harmed by Track 2 MAiD.
The CCD members are:

Member Organizations And Members At Large​

CCD's members are provincial/territorial cross-disability, consumer-controlled, human rights organizations and national uni- and cross-disability, consumer-controlled, human rights organizations and six individual members at large ensuring a intersectional council.

The member organizations and members at large are:



PRESS RELEASE: Disability Rights Coalition Challenges Discriminatory Sections of Canada’s Assisted Dying Law in Court – Inclusion Canada

inclusioncanada.ca inclusioncanada.ca


About the UN concern:

PRESS RELEASE – A Person Dying Everyday: Canadian Disability Advocates Highlight Canada’s Controversial MAiD Program at United Nations Review – Inclusion Canada

inclusioncanada.ca inclusioncanada.ca

A UN report from 2021:

www.ohchr.org

Disability is not a reason to sanction medically assisted dying – UN experts

GENEVA (25 January 2021) – UN human rights experts today expressed alarm at a growing trend to enact legislation enabling access to medically assisted dying based largely on having a disability or disabling conditions, including in old age. “We all accept that it could never be a well-reasoned...
www.ohchr.org www.ohchr.org

“Under no circumstance should the law provide that it could be a well-reasoned decision for a person with a disabling condition who is not dying to terminate their life with the support of the State.”


The experts said that even when access to medical assistance in dying is restricted to those at the end of life or with a terminal illness, people with disabilities, older persons, and especially older persons with disabilities, may feel subtly pressured to end their lives prematurely due to attitudinal barriers as well as the lack of appropriate services and support.

As you can see I’m not a minority point of view from the broader disability community and the UN also agrees. That’s pretty comprehensive I think.
 
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Thus we all must go from time to time due to flaws and general imperfections ... those of certainty cannot see themselves this way ... thus the alternate like Nathan! Wise beyond word ... the implications are significant icons or Semite! What other believe is concrete ... still moves ... plate tectonic! TU Tons ...

Paired vacancy ... Ꝏ! O'sam ... like ignorant delegation ... that believe thought doesn't take considerable labor ...

Consider the energy consigned to the neural system ... medical miracle of bloody chaos ... many cells ... awesome, or awful full phi lament? Swell ...
 
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@Kimmio Laughterlove
Correct re: the developmental sector. And yes, activists are vocal about their concerns.

Strong agree re: the issue of subtle pressure to end lives prematurely. I actually thought at one point healthcare professionals were not allowed to raise the subject.

But apparently this is not correct. They are allowed to ask if a patient would like information about applying for MAiD.

Thin end of the wedge if you ask me.
 
paradox3 said:
But apparently this is not correct. They are allowed to ask if a patient would like information about applying for MAiD.
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I don't have a huge problem with making information about MAID available. At the same time, it is the thin end of the wedge as you say.

Timing is very important. It cannot be given just as a person has learned they have metastatic cancer. This happened to a friend who learned she had stage 4 ovarian cancer in Emerg. As if she wasn't already upset enough.

The way the information is provided MUST be given with care and respect, and with a reassurance that it's only for information purposes, not as a recommendation. Of course, that would be a very delicate balance, and not everyone is capable.
 
My trust in healthcare professionals' timing was eroded when I had a nurse ask me in the MIDDLE of a labor contraction if I intended to breastfeed the baby.

True story.
 
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I don't have a huge problem with making information about MAID available. At the same time, it is the thin end of the wedge as you say.

Timing is very important. It cannot be given just as a person has learned they have metastatic cancer. This happened to a friend who learned she had stage 4 ovarian cancer in Emerg. As if she wasn't already upset enough.

The way the information is provided MUST be given with care and respect, and with a reassurance that it's only for information purposes, not as a recommendation. Of course, that would be a very delicate balance, and not everyone is capable.
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Does this matter to you? (From the UN)
It’s at least a much better source. It’s happened or it wouldn’t be mentioned. And that represents lives lost over subtle pressure - people not statistics - and it doesn’t make a blip on the radar of public awareness (or care). That’s because this is a public policy nightmare that has eroded the value of life. It’s why we need secure human rights laws above personal opinions, to protect marginalized people. I’m extremely disappointed that people aren’t filtering their personal opinions through this first. Then maybe we can have better discussions. There’s a solid basis for concern and it’s not just about me being disagreeable. And I’ve already posted it. Today, and years ago.



The experts said that even when access to medical assistance in dying is restricted to those at the end of life or with a terminal illness, people with disabilities, older persons, and especially older persons with disabilities, may feel subtly pressured to end their lives prematurely due to attitudinal barriers as well as the lack of appropriate services and support.
 
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And since most of you haven’t answered my question “do you spread the word now that your mind has changed”? I’ll take that as no. This is basically just me on a hamster wheel.
 
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