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She came into politics before anyone believed we’d have a Trump problem, though, and I have even heard Canadian Trump supporters make fun of her a couple of years ago. Memes about her posture, or appearance, a medical condition. That would continue and deflect from her efforts (on purpose). Even Seth Meyers made fun of her “Come on guys, cut it out!” comment. It wasn’t strong, politically. I don’t know if she is the right kind of strong (or maybe not the right woman at the right time) to be PM at this time to be honest. Female or not. Carney seems less flappable at this point in time. Her time in government as the Minister(s) of Trade, Foreign Affairs, and of Finance - top cabinet positions - didn’t make us more resilient to the Orange guy - no matter how much we might want a strong woman as PM someday. He’d probably prefer her to win because I don’t think she’d beat Pollievre and I think he would ultimately cave to Trump or policies so aligned we couldn’t tell US and Canada apart anyway, after he gets in.
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That, "Come on guys, cut it out" remark was brutal.....
Trump was shaking in his boots it was so brutal /s
But brutal as in cringey I agree! It’s the prime sort of thing bullies pick on. Speaking from experience with bullies. It doesn’t work well in politics.
Yeah cringy is a better word! I felt embarrassed for her.
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Have you ever noticed that women are the harshest critics of women?
I don’t care what gender, if anyone else literally whined like that it would be a bad look in the face of Trump’s threats. It was whiney, you have to admit.
I would like to see a woman politically shred Trump but I don’t think she would. I think her reputation precedes her, right or wrong.
Should being a woman stop us from assessing performance?
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I was making an observation. I also think it's why Kamala lost in the U.S. (well, besides the obvious gerrymandering of electoral districts). Women don't defend our gender as men do.
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And if I had to choose between whine-y and violent, I'm going to pick the former, personally, but your mileage may vary.
The choice between Harris and Trump didn’t work out. She wasn’t whiney, but she wasn’t effective enough to win. She missed the mark with voters. I honestly doubt Freeland would win in Canada. Whiney doesn’t inspire confidence against Trump given what he’s threatened - stakes are too high. I would probably pick NDP if she was running for PM because I think Singh would be better against Trump, but I don’t think either of them would be elected PM. If she runs the vote will be split and would hand the win to Poilievre.
Is Carney violent? Because the choice is pretty much between her and Carney in the Liberal leadership race right now.
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Nah this isn’t about “defending our gender” or not. Realistically if we give Trump an inch he’ll take a mile and “Come on, guys!” is not effective. That’s why she’s not a good contender and if Trump runs roughshod over us that is not defending women, anyway.
American voters were looking for someone who will effectively address their concerns.
Freeland will face similar challenges in Canada, since she doesn't inspire confidence. Leaders must connect with people on a deeper level and show that they genuinely care about the issues that matter to them.
As for Singh, he'd be a better choice against Trump.
When Freeland runs, it will split the vote and benefit Poilievre.
Carney no blarney isn't violent.
The choice must be about who can best represent Canadian values
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I was actually referring to the violent tendencies very visible to the south of us. I personally find PP's very voice, sounds whiney, perhaps because it's a bit high-pitched for a man's.
I just find "whiny" a very non-specific (but always targetting women) sort of criticism that I don't hear about men, and as a personality trait, it's well down in my list of "can't do's". The sort of sexual violence and overt bullying demonstrated by Trump and Vance and Musk, in particular, I find extremely distressing. Every time I look at Trump's orange face, I see him juxtaposed in many pictures with serial predator and rapist, the late, cowardly Jeffrey Epstein.
Everyone gets whiny sometimes, especially when they're being bullied; I think it sexist to focus on a little whiny-ness in the face of the egregious moral violations of many men.
I just find "whiny" a very non-specific (but always targetting women) sort of criticism that I don't hear about men, and as a personality trait, it's well down in my list of "can't do's". The sort of sexual violence and overt bullying demonstrated by Trump and Vance and Musk, in particular, I find extremely distressing. Every time I look at Trump's orange face, I see him juxtaposed in many pictures with serial predator and rapist, the late, cowardly Jeffrey Epstein.
Everyone gets whiny sometimes, especially when they're being bullied; I think it sexist to focus on a little whiny-ness in the face of the egregious moral violations of many men.
Singh is not as likely to be elected PM, better choice or not. Ontario always votes blue or red and f***s it up lol. That said, between Freeland and Singh I’d prefer the latter.
I said it because she did not sound strong at a moment when we needed someone to risk being bold in Trump’s face (which Trudeau did well at the time - credit where it’s due). Regardless of gender she needed to defend us with more than “Come on, guys!” . If she’s capable of that (which she may be but it didn’t come through to us or to our southern neighbours) then she missed her chance and it wasn’t a politically smart move - and yes Poilievre is whiny. Snivelley might be an even better word for him.
Like I said, especially after that comment, Trump is probably hoping Freeland gets picked as Poilievre’s main opponent. That’s why I don’t want her to be Liberal leader, first and foremost. I’m open to changing my mind if she changes her approach. But I already don’t like her austerity vibes. And if she defends her record on allowing track 2 MAiD (which happened under her watch and she’s seen the “cost/ benefit analysis” which she probably will defend so as not to eat crow) - then I’ll probably lose my s**t. Whereas Carney can’t take credit or blame for that yet. When I listened to Carney in a lecture talking about human value vs market value, I felt like he actually cares and perhaps it’s no coincidence that MAiD did not happen while he was tending to fiscal policy in his role as central banker in the UK, and that gives me some hope, so far.
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The track 2 MAiD concern is my barometer for how leaders view those who are marginalized and how willing they are to cut from the bottom - literally - with fiscal policy. Track 2 MAiD actually fits nicely with what Elon is doing with DEI. But it was presented to Canadians as compassionate all along, so the parallels haven’t been noticed. He’s fricken scary and Carney might be the right person for Canada at this time. I don’t know. But right now he seems to be. If he doesn’t come out against Track 2 MAiD I probably will sit out the election because it doesn’t matter. It’s a far more important bigger picture problem than people are able to see. It’s key, actually. It’s showing itself to be the behemoth of slippery slopes and that plays nicely into the hands of would-be white nationalist authoritarian dictators who want to eliminate human rights altogether. Disabled people (which spans all races, ethnicities and genders) have historically been dismissed first, listened to last - usually by the time another group’s rights are under attack. Track 2 MAiD is a violent policy. For me, it comes down to that. We can’t defeat Trump if we believe track 2 MAiD is a fiscal solution. We are no better if we don’t stop it.
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BetteTheRed
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Clearly, y'all ladies think you're impartial. I beg to differ.
Uh, that’s women not ladies lol…
How do you know we are criticizing Freeland’s comment and delivery because she’s a woman? Why not because it didn’t come across well and because she isn’t the right person to stand up to Trump because obviously in her time in cabinet she wasn’t effective at insulating us from Trump.
Wouldn’t you agree that between Carney and Freeland, Trump probably hopes for Freeland to be elected Liberal leader? So why would we want that, as a strategy?