He says that Jesus will be coming with his saints. I believe this will take place on the great and powerful Day of the Lord, when Christ will return to the earth, bringing with him the saints who have already passed. The idea of a rapture is not mentioned here and, I and others hold, is not rightly found anywhere the Bible
Snoopy's Thoughts on 1 Thessalonians
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The details of Paul's mass conversions at Thessalonica are provided in Acts 1 7:1-9. Paul follows his standard missionary pattern of first proselytizing in the local synagogue, where he uses the OT to persuade "some Jews" but many women and "god-fearers" (Gentile synagogue members who refuse circumcision) that Jesus is the Messiah. Paul's effectiveness is enhanced by his demonstration of the "power" of the Holy Spirit, which he elsewhere repeatedly refers to as "the signs and wonders" that he performs everywhere through the power of the Spirit. The hostile Jews organize a mob and, when they fail to find Paul and his missionary companions, they drag some of Paul's converts, including Jason who had given the missionaries a place to stay, before the city magistrates.
The magistrates recognize this as a purely religiious dispute among Jews and merely put them in the slammer for one night and then release them.
The magistrates recognize this as a purely religiious dispute among Jews and merely put them in the slammer for one night and then release them.
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I believe in 2 Thessalonians he goes more into detail about the 2nd coming of the Lord ---
as I pointed out posting this scripture ---above ---so my bad for going ahead --of you
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The rapture of the church is the event in which God “snatches away” all believers from the earth in order to make way for His righteous judgment to be poured out on the earth. The rapture is described primarily in 1 Thessalonians 4:13–18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50–54.
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The rapture of the church is the event in which God “snatches away” all believers from the earth in order to make way for His righteous judgment to be poured out on the earth. The rapture is described primarily in 1 Thessalonians 4:13–18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50–54.
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paradox3 -----I apologize for posting about the Rapture early as it will be addressed in 1 Thess 4 --
posted it to clarify Jae statement here -below ---Just because we personally hold something not to be found in Scripture does not mean it is not there ------research says it is there ----Enoch was raptured ---(caught up ) alive ---Elijah was Raptured ---alive --Jesus was raptured on a cloud ----Caught up in Greek is harpazo ----
The Greek word for "caught up" is "ἁρπάζω" (harpazó), which literally means "to seize" or "to snatch away" and is often used in the context of being "raptured" in the Bible
posted it to clarify Jae statement here -below ---Just because we personally hold something not to be found in Scripture does not mean it is not there ------research says it is there ----Enoch was raptured ---(caught up ) alive ---Elijah was Raptured ---alive --Jesus was raptured on a cloud ----Caught up in Greek is harpazo ----
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The Greek word for "caught up" is "ἁρπάζω" (harpazó), which literally means "to seize" or "to snatch away" and is often used in the context of being "raptured" in the Bible
Just because we personally hold something can be found in Scripture does not mean it is there. If you really want to debate the rapture we can. I'm not so sure P3 wants us to in this thread
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That's interesting to note. It reminds me of the two roles every preacher has - to comfort the conflicted, and to conflict the comfortable.
In the case of the Thessalonians, they had a relatively new church and were facing persecution. They needed to be comforted, and encouraged to continue in their faith. So Paul's tone is supportive and warm.
In the case of the Galatians, they were comfortable enough beginning to accept false teachings. So Paul wrote to them to wake them up and bring them back to the true faith. The tone he uses is confrontational and urgent
You do realize I could just up and say the exact opposite. But let's not go on and on about it now. We can discuss it as appropriate later on
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Sure, but if we are trying to listen to Paul's words today, how do we discern whether we are Thessalonians or Galatians? Wouldn't it have been more helpful if he was more uniformly lovingly supportive of both groups? (And the quote to which you refer is to "comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.)
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Great question!
Reading Thessalonians, I was actually reminded of some good church folks I know.
Thank you for correcting my quote. Good to know
To your question - I don't think it would have helped, because I believe that the groups needed to hear different kinds of messages. The sermons I preach tomorrow are, I trust, what my congregations here in South Korea most need to hear at this time. They might not be at all what I'd preach to a congregation in Canada
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They are indeed-y, but you must read farther, you cherry-picker. Then the Thessalonians behave badly over the more observant Bereans. I'd love a book written for non-academics that compares what 'Luke' says in Acts about Paul's travels, and how Paul describes them.
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you can say whatever you like ---but it won't change what the scripture conveys about the Rapture ---it is all about belief ----you don't believe in the Rapture and I do believe in the Rapture ---and never the twain shall meet - ----there is not debate ---it is unbelief verse belief -----3 people have already been Raptured ----so Rapture is in the Scripture ----nothing there to debate ----but you just don't believe it --The three people you speak of were certainly not part of what is commonly referred to as "the Rapture," and I think you know that. That said, I'm holding off further comment on this until later
As an aside, t was in a depressed mood when I arrived in Thessalonica for our "Footsteps of St. Paul" tour. I flew there from Frankfurt, Gernany, but my luggage got mistakenly sent to eastern Europe; so the next day I had nothing as the bus arrived for our tour. Then, thank God, just as our tour bus was leaving, a truck arrived with my luggage. That dramatic moment gives new meaning to a sigh of relief!
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