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Waterfall said:
Does anyone know what Galatians 4:22-24 means when Paul says the story of Abraham is allegory?
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It isn't about Abraham ---Paul is using Hagar and Sarah to describe the 2 Covenants ---one under the Law which binds and the one under Christ which sets you free from the law ---

Which side are you on -----is what Paul is getting at here

So are you still a slave under the law or set free from the law through Christ ------

24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants.
 
Mendalla said:
If you read the whole chapter, I think it's pretty clear. He is using the story of Abraham's two sons, one born to a slave and one to a free woman, as an allegory for the freedom that comes in Christ. Hagar is a slave so her children are born in slavery, as are the followers of the present covenant ("the present Jerusalem" in Paul's language, which appears to mean the Law if you go back a chapter or two) while those born to Sarah are born free in as are those under Christ ("the Jerusalem above"). Seems to be part of his debate with the faction who wanted Christian converts to be subject to the Jewish Law. IOW, he is not so much saying it is allegory as using it as one. Absent Christ, his allegorical reading is meaningless.
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That makes sense, I did read beyond the verses, I guess not in front or far enough beyond. Thank you, appreciate the explanation. That was lazy of me.
 
unsafe said:
It isn't about Abraham ---Paul is using Hagar and Sarah to describe the 2 Covenants ---one under the Law which binds and the one under Christ which sets you free from the law ---

Which side are you on -----is what Paul is getting at here

So are you still a slave under the law or set free from the law through Christ ------

24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants.
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Thank you to you also....appreciate it.
 
paradox3 said:
God seemed to have selection criteria when Noah was picked to build the Ark. I think that's why we are wondering about the later choice of Abram.
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God had top Messengers helping with tasks like those

Even Our Lord knows the benefits of Outsourcing :3
 
BetteTheRed said:
Correct. I mean, Noah was not "blameless" and I'm not seeing that Abraham had any exceptional qualities, except that Godde talked to him.
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Maybe that Abraham was a pagan willing to convert to God was his exceptional quality?

Look over Abraham's entire life...what are all of his qualities?

Did he become exceptional later?

(Noting that God can see all of existence past present and future...)
 
Good Morning! Snoopy warns you today's story is a strange one. :D Here is Genesis 19:

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Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 19 - New English Translation

The Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah - The two angels came to Sodom in the evening while Lot was sitting in the city’s gateway. When Lot saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face toward the ground. He said, “Here, my lords, please turn aside to your servant’s house. Stay the...
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Two angels come to visit Sodom and are offered hospitality by Lot (Abraham's nephew). He prepares a feast including bread made without leaven.

The men of Sodom surround the dwelling and demand the angels be let out so they can know them carnally. Lot offers them his two virgin daughters instead but the angels strike the men blind.

They warn Lot that they have come to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. They instruct Lot to take his family and flee and not look back.

Lot leaves with his wife and two daughters and the cities are soon destroyed with fire & brimstone. Lot's wife cannot resist looking back and she is turned into a pillar of salt.

Lot and his daughters go to live in a cave. The daughters want to conceive so they get their father drunk on wine. He has sex with them as they planned.

The young women are never named but their sons are called Moab and Ben-Ammi. They will become the ancestors of the Moabites and the Ammonites.
 
Why was the bread baked without yeast? Simply to save time?

Does anyone think this is a story to emphasize always looking forward in life?

Or is it more than that? Could it be another version of the Noah and the Flood story?

Is it possible that Lot's daughters wanted to conceive because they thought the entire world had been destroyed?
 
paradox3 said:
Why was the bread baked without yeast? Simply to save time?
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Leven in the scripture is usually seen in the negative -----it is a symbol of Spreading evil -------there are a couple of places where it is used in the Positive ----but mostly used in the negative ----

It comes from the latin word
Latin ferveo, 'to boil or ferment,' is an exact translation of this word, which means 'to seethe or bubble,' and is therefore used figuratively of mental states and emotions

Paul uses leven to show False teaching in the Church -------a little leven can spoil the whole batch
 
A standard derivative from this story in Christianity is that homosexual activity is a sin while the crime or sin was violating the law of hospitality. Rape of visitors was the sin. Life in the Middle East depended on trade which depended on hospitality for strangers and learning what might be happening in other places.

How did Lot know they were coming and who they were?

Lots of strange stuff in Genesis. Most of the stories were understood to be metaphors or analogies at the time of Jesus.
 
I find it appalling that he would offer his daughters like a bone to divert the men from attacking the guests.....then later sleeps with them under the guise that they asked for it. Oppression of women seems to be a running theme.
Even Abraham, who used an Egyptian Slave to conceive.
Down the road the situation reverses when Egypt supposedly enslaved the Israelites and becomes their slave. (Though I don't believe that's verified historically yet?)
Throughout Genesis I am seeing women being used as scapegoats.
 
There is much to grapple with in Genesis, that's for sure. Some of the stories seem like efforts to explain natural phenomena (the existence of the earth and sky, diversity of language, a devastating flood)

There is even a thought that the fire and brimstone in today's story might have arisen from an earthquake.

Mythology also attempts to explain the nature of God. We see that God values righteousness although the concept is not yet fully developed. God seems to be quite judgmental so far.

I keep wondering if all this is pointing to God coming to understand that the people need some guidelines.
 
I always found it neat that Lot's wife was transformed into a pillar of something Roman soldier's used to be payed in?

Something valuable?

I have been thinking aboot a story aboot Lot, long after this incident, where he is living by himself and his wife is safe inside and has gradually been used over time, because Lot's fortunes haven't been good. A poingnant tale

Oh and anytime mentions this story an amateur comet watcher and ancient comet and other impactors on Earth managed to get actual professionals to do a dig where they think they found one of the inspirations behind Sodom or Gomorrah. It looks like the ancient habitation was affected by an air burst, kinda similar to Chelnabynsk but much much larger and more devastating (like vitrified dwellings)
 
And leavened bread, which also requires salt, is the generally preferred bread in every "wheat-using' culture. Even rice cultures have fermented rice/dal breads, like dosas.
 
BetteTheRed said:
That is a theological position not universally held as true.
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It was an If...Then statement :3

It is so fun how the Bible changes depending on what one takes to be True :3

Just like all of everything here on WC is a theological position not universally held as True...because we each have our own Truth :3 Thereby giving us a nigh infinite # of Truths

Quite delightful

Now I know why Jamacian music is so lively and joyful :3
 
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