Luke 6: A Verse (or Two) at a Time

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paradox3 said:
And of course, we people of faith in the present day never engage in "my religion is right and yours is wrong" arguments, do we? :D

And we never get angry about differences of opinion about religious texts either, do we? :p
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Only in eclectic opinion related to dispersed fields ... Wahls in the night? Then there be sparks and god knows what'll become of internal trades ... insider exchanges of juices and other endogenous endocrines ... and off they go in wild circulation in the bloodied flow ... thought must struggle due to the blood/brae'n Wahl (ab aria Eire) ... hard heads? Batch production in bash 'n the sloe ideals ... easy thinking?

Yet the fools industrial rush 'n ... spectacular overwhelming ... whaa? No modulation ... Moe with deux ayes ... questionable! Don't let her get you in her fix ... regarding distance ...

Back to that discussion on best enemies and trysts with corrupt friends ... all for the heir price?
 
paradox3 said:
And of course, we people of faith in the present day never engage in "my religion is right and yours is wrong" arguments, do we? :D

And we never get angry about differences of opinion about religious texts either, do we? :p
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:whistle: :sneaky:
 
paradox3 said:
It brings me some comfort to know these disputes have always been with us.
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Thus the struggle to get into it ... what? It's simply irrationality that gets very thick ... how I see it in my mind ... so I have trouble getting very far ... because of all the other reduced folk in here ... to little people of thought? One has to be careful of how such things are expressed or the could get exponential ... like the number of flighty things that can be pinned ...
 
Mendalla said:
This is not really science vs. religion, though. It's "my religion is right and yours is wrong". Attributing the healing to demons isn't science, it's still a religious belief, just one that says Jesus was not working for God.
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Still could be a fundamentalist view against a more liberal view on their personal beliefs.
 
In biblical times, the Pharisees were considered to be more liberal than the Sadducees. They were moving Judaism out to the people and into Synagogues.

The Sadducees were tied to temple observances (sacrifice, etc) & considered to be the traditionalists of the day. I find this fascinating because they held fewer supernatural beliefs.
 
paradox3 said:
It brings me some comfort to know these disputes have always been with us.
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On a serious note, the example I brought up, is taking away women's power to decide and even men and women who can't have children.
It's complex, Jesus is trying to change things and yes threatening the powers that be.
 
paradox3 said:
In biblical times, the Pharisees were considered to be more liberal than the Sadducees. They were moving Judaism out to the people and into Synagogues.

The Sadducees were tied to temple observances (sacrifice, etc) & considered to be the traditionalists of the day. I find this fascinating because they held fewer supernatural beliefs.
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But weren't the Sadducees more receptive to the people in the synagogue, more than the Pharisees?
 
paradox3 said:
My impression is they weren't really out into the synagogues. But I could be mistaken
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Yikes, I've been reading some excepts about Josephus' book "Antiquities Of the Jews", (who was a Jew turned pagan), looking for a more unbiased view of the Pharisees and Sadducees. But it seems they both had their faults according to him.
So you are probably right. It is hard for one to know really because the Sadducees were no more after the destruction of the temple and what is currently believed is not what they believed. So history goes to the victor I guess....sorry about that.
 
Waterfall said:
Yikes, I've been reading some excepts about Josephus' book "Antiquities Of the Jews", (who was a Jew turned pagan), looking for a more unbiased view of the Pharisees and Sadducees. But it seems they both had their faults according to him.
So you are probably right. It is hard for one to know really because the Sadducees were no more after the destruction of the temple and what is currently believed is not what they believed. So history goes to the victor I guess....sorry about that.
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Josephus was a Pharisee, a Jewish general during the revolt against Rome, captured during the fighting. He did not become paganized, but he felt the need to fault the Jewish freedom fighters so that he could be accepted at Rome. btw, the rabbis who reconstituted Judaism criticized the Pharisees for being too extreme.
 
Mystic said:
Josephus was a Pharisee, a Jewish general during the revolt against Rome, captured during the fighting. He did not become paganized, but he felt the need to fault the Jewish freedom fighters so that he could be accepted at Rome. btw, the rabbis who reconstituted Judaism criticized the Pharisees for being too extreme.
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Good to know, I'm not as well read as you are...the article I was reading said he became a pagan...never trust the Internet fully.

What group were the rabbis in that reconstituted Judaism? Or were they even known as a group per se:? Were they the Pharisees?
Are the Jews today descendents of the Pharisees with the same system and beliefs?
 
Mendalla said:
"What they might do to Jesus" is pretty suggestive that it won't be good but it is interesting that he doesn't as openly pin them as murderous while the others do. Though that phrasing is still pretty ominous.

I think this verse makes it pretty clear that, unlike some other healings, this one is less important for what it shows about Jesus than for how it sets up and illuminates the escalation in his conflict with the Pharisees and other leaders.
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"The Pharisees... immediately conspired with the Herodians against Him how to destroy Him."

The involvement of Herod's men signals Jesus' eventual doom; it culminates in Jesus' arrest and interrogation by Annas the High Priest, Herod, and Pilate.

I thought you might find this tourism tidbit interesting. When I toured Israel, we had Communion in the Garden of Gethsemane, from which an arresting party took Jesus down the trail to the High Priest's palace. You can't walk to that palace because a freeway blocks part of the trail. So our tour bus took us to the High Priest's palace, where we saw where Jesus was interrogated and the basement where he was held overnight in a dungeon. When you look outside, you see the trail that originally led there from Gethsemane. Our Israeli tour guide told us that when astronaut Neil Armstrong saw that trail from inside the palace, he declared, "This is the most awesome moment of my life!" Really Neil? More awesome than being the first man to step out onto the moon?
 
Mystic said:
Josephus was a Pharisee, a Jewish general during the revolt against Rome, captured during the fighting.
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And he had some axes of his own to grind, too, so there's definitely biases in his work. He was, for instance, quite unfond of Herod and his descendants.
 
Ultimately the two surviving religious movements will be early Christianity and rabbinic Judaism (Pharisaic roots)

Interesting to see the seeds of the division between Jesus and the Pharisees so early in the Gospel narrative.
 
With the Pharisees so ticked off in the story, I was wondering if today's discussion would take us into the expression and experience of anger.

I wonder what it was like for Jesus to experience the wrath of the Pharisees. Did he receive more opposition from them than he was expecting?

In tomorrow's reading we will find him spending a night in prayer.
 
Hi everyone! Thank you all for your participation. Here is Luke 6: 12-13
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Bible Gateway passage: Luke 6:12-13 - New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition

Jesus Chooses the Twelve Apostles - Now during those days he went out to the mountain to pray, and he spent the night in prayer to God. And when day came, he called his disciples and chose twelve of them, whom he also named apostles:
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As I imagine the scene, Jesus has withdrawn for some rest and renewal. He also has an important decision to make and he spends the night in prayer to God.

I wonder if he is a little rattled by his interactions with the Pharisees. Is he feeling hurt? Has he responded with anger of his own?

Do the Pharisees have him feeling unsafe? Is he thinking the Twelve will need to be bodyguards in addition to their other duties?

How do you respond to the idea of Jesus praying to God all night long?
 
Is rest and renewal like room for rejuvenation of the delinquent portion? They were out there do -ing (-ink) the outlander ... albeit darkly! Thus the abstract insertion in the writ as darker shade of the vessel .. a pail carrier? Recall it is dark down that deep Whal or well ... Pequod followed as Ahab's maid.

D you dig the meaning of Pequod and Ahab? For the love of God you missed that part ... Ahab is a blind passion ... pursuing a blank chimera (monster). I tis all laid out in Mobiu 'δ IHC and a' myths get deep ... kind dah purple shades ... alien variants of the white lightening that initiated the shock wave ... descent to the foundations of creation ... a vast wrap or binding? Clotho's ... it is all in the Aye Sac ... Ishmael is the fire storm ... there are myths about that too that are real hummers ... that buzz in the night ... Arth Ur ... fill in the blanks!
 
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