Luke 6: A Verse (or Two) at a Time

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paradox3 said:
Yes religion and politics can be connected but as your host here, I request that you post your political material in Politics. Please and thank you.
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One track or your out ... like those footprints on the beach ... something was broached ... Oh Oh another OHC gone ... shot full of holes ... Cervantes commission continues ... all a joust! Free comments are a joke ... and we cannot be responsible for politics and politicians ... this is unconscious ... it overwhelms ... as it goes without thinking ...
 
paradox3 said:
Hey everybody! Here is Luke 6: 8

Is Jesus establishing his authority here or is he being a hothead? Couldn't he have pulled the man aside and healed him quietly?
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If that were today, I'd be suspicious it was a "plant" for a performance. If we want to speak truths, would a great man be able to convey the same message/ challenge orally?
 
Waterfall said:
If that were today, I'd be suspicious it was a "plant" for a performance. If we want to speak truths, would a great man be able to convey the same message/ challenge orally?
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One thing that makes me uncomfortable about this story is that Jesus is using the man with the withered hand to make a point. What if the man would have preferred privacy for his interaction with Jesus and his healing?

We might say the man should just be grateful for the healing he received. But this reminds me of food bank users who sometimes say the whole experience of having to take whatever they can get is demeaning.

Aside from that question. I suppose Jesus might have needed to take a stance with the Pharisees. There are certainly times it is important to oppose injustice.

But are His actions inconsistent with the advice He will provide later? He is going to talk soon about loving our enemies and turning the other cheek.
 
Waterfall said:
If that were today, I'd be suspicious it was a "plant" for a performance. If we want to speak truths, would a great man be able to convey the same message/ challenge orally?
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That's diabolically behind the bright spot and thus slowly passing into oblivion ... like Satyr in the forest Tara ... wither/whether thou goest ... shades of insecurity?
 
paradox3 said:
One thing that makes me uncomfortable about this story is that Jesus is using the man with the withered hand to make a point. What if the man would have preferred privacy for his interaction with Jesus and his healing?

We might say the man should just be grateful for the healing he received. But this reminds me of food bank users who sometimes say the whole experience of having to take whatever they can get is demeaning.

Aside from that question. I suppose Jesus might have needed to take a stance with the Pharisees. There are certainly times it is important to oppose injustice.

But are His actions inconsistent with the advice He will provide later? He is going to talk soon about loving our enemies and turning the other cheek.
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I also find it interesting that a withered hand is not life threatening and could have been healed after sunset.
It appears anyone who is Jewish can speak at a synagogue, everyone who is Jewish is educated the same, from a certain age. Rabi was an honorary title, not like it is today...so why would a different thought or idea be unsettling to the Pharisees, I wonder? Were they becoming too rigid in their rituals?
 
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Waterfall said:
I also find it interesting that a withered hand is not life threatening and could have been healed after sunset.
It appears anyone who is Jewish can speak at a synagogue, everyone who is Jewish is educated the same, from a certain age. Rabi was an honorary title, not like it is today...so why would a different thought or idea be unsettling to the Pharisees, I wonder?
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Does the conception of a withered hand allow for stronger points ... elsewhere? Imagine the potential L' urchin around out there ... the consequences are immense ... and of ai' manual choosing ... handily leading back ... expect the backtracking!
 
[QUOTE="Waterfall, post: 481505, member: 63" so why would a different thought or idea be unsettling to the Pharisees, I wonder? Were they becoming to rigid in their rituals?
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We know that they were too rigid for Jesus. I wonder if the Pharisees were really as concerned about purity as they let on. Or was it all about power and control?
 
Is there rigidity in WC2 about strange things? Test the theory of piety ... say something out of the thread ... thus discord!

Lordy a dissonant thing to note ... that's out like a Selkie ... far to slick and slippery ... as thought! Have you ever notinced how difficult it is to read into another thoughts without a depth of sentient? Many folks are superficial that way ... a bit hyper rather than hypo ... th' etic ally spoke?
 
Luce NDs said:
Is there rigidity in WC2 about strange things? Test the theory of piety ... say something out of the thread ... thus discord!

Lordy a dissonant thing to note ... that's out like a Selkie ... far to slick and slippery ... as thought! Have you ever notinced how difficult it is to read into another thoughts without a depth of sentient? Many folks are superficial that way ... a bit hyper rather than hypo ... th' etic ally spoke?
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Touche
 
paradox3 said:
But are His actions inconsistent with the advice He will provide later? He is going to talk soon about loving our enemies and turning the other cheek.
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No, loving our enemies can include trying to educate them, which is kind of what he does with these dialogues. Turning the other cheek doesn't have to be passively giving them their way.
 
paradox3 said:
We know that they were too rigid for Jesus. I wonder if the Pharisees were really as concerned about purity as they let on. Or was it all about power and control?
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Why not both? Maybe they were concerned about purity but that concern partly comes from a place of power and control? Much like we see in some branches of Christianity today, where it is pretty clear that a focus on "purity" is as much about reining in their women (let's face it, women are the main targets) as actually keeping pure.
 
Is the ultimate Satyr cheeky ... posing a Jack when really jenny and reduced to djinns ... in essence that' the spirit ... slows the donkey down from rushing about the humble shrine in panic ... a Fudd like El Mira? The demons I say support all insane industry ... whipped up by tyrannical phobias about enough is not enough ... and thus the Harold 'n Blooms ... dark gammas? That Big Sur ... higher waters ... there is this mythodical river ... on the other side an alternate discovery! Some say the Jor Dan in essence ... vapors ... vapid? Opens an entire Kahn of vorms ...

Sometimes if you say something different it is like anti vapid (vapid being unstimulating). For get the gram mere we're in the twilight ... feinting fast an are prim ally unaware ... for displaced reason ... ir ration ale?

Thus the idiots get kicked about until numb ... to use gentle language about the objects of the Mississippi Revival of major screwups an torn a' dos! Firestorms as yellow roses ... fair demons that don't know whether they like to be looked at or felt ... and the dark Arid ones know where the falls lead ... in great abstract ... black out, its curtains and veiled activity ...

Given the populace and paradigm ... I do wish mores knew what they were up to in bioethics ... a thick etude ... I audited these courses over several years and they were academically fractured ...
 
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Mendalla said:
No, loving our enemies can include trying to educate them, which is kind of what he does with these dialogues. Turning the other cheek doesn't have to be passively giving them their way.
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Looks like we will have some good discussion when we arrive at the Sermon on the Plain! It comes up later in Luke 6.
 
paradox3 said:
Looks like we will have some good discussion when we arrive at the Sermon on the Plain! It comes up later in Luke 6.
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Indeed, we shall. It's a fun part of Luke to discuss (as is the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew)
 
Mendalla said:
Indeed, we shall. It's a fun part of Luke to discuss (as is the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew)
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I had thought about choosing the Sermon on the Mount for this thread but decided to go with the shorter version in Luke. It is actually very satisfying to tackle the chapter at the pace of one (or two) verses per day.
 
paradox3 said:
One thing that makes me uncomfortable about this story is that Jesus is using the man with the withered hand to make a point. What if the man would have preferred privacy for his interaction with Jesus and his healing?
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I think different ---The Pharisees are using the man to entice a snare and Jesus fools them all by doing what His Father tells Him to do which was to heal the man on the Sabbath to prove to the Pharisees that doing God's work on the Sabbath is lawful ------
 
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I think different ---The Pharisees are using the man to entice a snare and Jesus fools them all by doing what His Father tells Him to do which was to heal the man on the Sabbath to prove to the Pharisees that doing God's work on the Sabbath is lawful ------
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This is possible. It just means that the man with the withered hand is being used by everyone
 
Now I want to write a story from his point of view. "How some dude named Jesus and a bunch of Pharisees f***ed up my life".
 
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