What made Jesus so compelling?

[Delightful Life]

Another reason for his compelling nature is look at his eyes

They are gorgeous

With the right use of eyeliner and kohl :3

 

[Pavlos Maros]

Another reason for his compelling nature is look at his eyes

They are gorgeous

With the right use of eyeliner and kohl :3

Yes agreed. Lol.

 

[Luce NDs]

The view from the dark?????

And the lights went out in GEO Gaia ...

 

[Waterfall]

Yes agreed. Lol.

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Interesting side note, Alice Cooper is a devout Christian.

 

[paradox3]

Interesting side note, Alice Cooper is a devout Christian.

Yes, isn't that interesting? He talks about it in interviews.

 

[Luce NDs]

John Cash also talked about walking that line ... then his friend got into Stardust!

Then there are folks that will say this scatter has nothing to do with enlightening experiences in the dark ...

Down the hole with them too ... I guess! Levity over the great space that is leviathan ... unmeasurable! Flushing of the swamped????

No mention of concern over the wee piece of dirt we stand upon! Enigmatic ... correct, or wrong about what you believed to be right?

It is best to declare you know nothing ... and weren't even looking ...

People tell me I've become a stupid incarnation (appearance) for looking into alien interests ... it augurs on some consciences ...

 

[paradox3]

Here is where my musings are taking me these days:

I think there must have been something incredibly compelling about the dude Jesus as we have been discussing here.

He was probably a wonderful, convincing preacher and he offered an appealing message. Conditions were terrible in the world & He taught that the end of the age was near. The kingdom of God was at hand and it was imperative to prepare.

Imagine the excitement and sense of hope!

He may even have had certain healing gifts and/ or the ability to manipulate crowds.

After He was executed, the disciples and others believed him to be still present. So they looked to the Hebrew Scriptures for an explanation. What resulted was a mashup of a few different concepts.

The Jewish messiah
The suffering servant from Isaiah
The Son of Man from Daniel
The Passover lamb

And this was just the beginning. Jesus later became the second Adam and the new Moses.

Many Christians view the New Testament as the fulfilment of the Old. This seems like circular reasoning to me. I think it more likely the New Testament was intentionally written that way with many words put into the mouth of Jesus.

A complete mashup. Later Jesus would become God incarnate.

 

[Mystic]

That is because there are no ancient witness accounts that are verifiable. You can't deny a thing unless that thing has been proven to exist. There is no contemporaneous evidence for a jesus person, the gospels were compiled between c.68-110 AD after the events transcribed in them. They can only be deemed to be stories being passed around.

Pavlos will now establish his competence to address these 4 questions.
(1) He will first explain how his standard of historical "proof" allows any confidence history to be written that is not composed in books by the relevant historical figures.
(2) He will then articulate the ancient Jewish evidence cited by scholars for Jesus' existence.
(3) He will then articulate the scholarly case for connecting the Gospels with eyewitness testimony.
(4) Then he will articulate the pre-Gospel evidence cited by scholars connecting the sequence of Jesus' resurrection appearances with eyewitness testimony.

 

[Mystic]

One of the funniest eyewitness accounts....to me anyway....is at the original ending of Mark....when the women were too afraid to tell others what they saw. Um, then how was that even recorded into Mark if they told no one.

It's not funny that the testimony of women didn't count in ancient Jewish courts. Female testimony had no credibility.
The "young man" sitting in the tomb (Mark 16:5-7) is probably the same unidentified "young man" who tries to follow the mob after Jesus' arrest (14:51-52).
The women at the tomb wait until they see 2 angels and Jesus. Only then do they have the courage to share the news with the disciples. The men probably scolded the women for not sharing their news earlier because, by now, Peter has returned to report his own encounter with the risen Jesus (Luke 24:34).

 

[Waterfall]

It's not funny that the testimony of women didn't count in ancient Jewish courts. Female testimony had no credibility.
The "young man" sitting in the tomb (Mark 16:5-7) is probably the same unidentified "young man" who tries to follow the mob after Jesus' arrest (14:51-52).
The women at the tomb wait until they see 2 angels and Jesus. Only then do they have the courage to share the news with the disciples. The men probably scolded the women for not sharing their news earlier because, by now, Peter has returned to report his own encounter with the risen Jesus (Luke 24:34).

Your last paragraph seems to contain some conjecture by adding the men "probably" scolded the woman.
Also my statement about the women in Mark not saying anything because they were frightened, had to do with the original ending of Mark, not the later addition to Marks gospel which is not contained in earlier manuscripts.
I don't doubt Jesus' existence by the way.

 

[Mystic]

The point is that all 3 of the other Gospels confirm that the women at the tomb EVENTUALLY, if fearfully, shared their experience at the tomb, a testimony that would hardly be invented, considering female testimony lacked credibility in that world. Nor would they continue to feel the need for silence once the male disciples began to see the risen Jesus. And John's empyy tomb tradition is considered more original than Mark's because on the first 2 visits to the tomb in John, no one sees angels or the risen Jesus. See Cambridge scholar C. H. Dodd, "History and Tradition in the Fourth Gospel."

 

[Waterfall]

The point is that all 3 of the other Gospels confirm that the women at the tomb EVENTUALLY, if fearfully, shared their experience at the tomb, a testimony that would hardly be invented, considering female testimony lacked credibility in that world. Nor would they continue to feel the need for silence once the male disciples began to see the risen Jesus. And John's empyy tomb tradition is considered more original than Mark's because on the first 2 visits to the tomb in John, no one sees angels or the risen Jesus. See Cambridge scholar C. H. Dodd, "History and Tradition in the Fourth Gospel."

I've read all you mentioned years ago,even the fact women were considered unreliable witnesses....ah well.
Just thought Marks ending was odd, that's all.

 

[Mystic]

I've read all you mentioned years ago, even the fact women were considered unreliable witnesses....ah well.
Just thought Marks ending was odd, that's all.

The silence of the women at the tomb in Mark is the last nail in the coffin of the KJV Only crowd's view that 16:9-20 is Mark's original ending, an ending which proceeds as if Mary Magdalene promptly goes to the disciples to share the news of Jesus' resurrection.

 

[paradox3]

Is it the belief in a physical resurrection that makes Jesus so compelling for some Christians?

I have never in my life believed in the resurrection as a physical event. There is meaning to be found in the mythology IMO.

 

[Luce NDs]

Is it the belief in a physical resurrection that makes Jesus so compelling for some Christians?

I have never in my life believed in the resurrection as a physical event. There is meaning to be found in the mythology IMO.

Thus thoughts come to mine ... psyche? Could it be when thoughts are downtrodden by wild desires? Are Ires truly maddening like Ir Ein?

 

[Luce NDs]

Is a good mythologist an normal Methodist gone off protocol ... so as to look upon the situation from out there?

Yube 'r ... as stripped to the bones ... creating skeletons in the wardrobe ... and it goes on ... departure ... intangible power in the myth ... as you cannot tell real folk anything much about individual experiences with brutalization ... they do not like to hear ov*ide ... thus cover-up!

 

[Waterfall]

Is it the belief in a physical resurrection that makes Jesus so compelling for some Christians?

I have never in my life believed in the resurrection as a physical event. There is meaning to be found in the mythology IMO.

What meaning do take from the mythology if you don't mind me asking?

 

[paradox3]

Is a good mythologist an normal Methodist gone off protocol ... so as to look upon the situation from out there

This reminds me. On a Reddit sub this week, an international student was looking for a Methodist Church in Toronto.

It was explained that the Methodists in Canada mostly joined the United Church. The poster went on to say, "And they're not really Christians anymore."

 

[paradox3]

What meaning do take from the mythology if you don't mind me asking?

Good triumphs over evil.
Freedom triumphs over oppression.
The teachings of Jesus cannot be destroyed.

 

[Waterfall]

Good triumphs over evil.
Freedom triumphs over oppression.
The teachings of Jesus cannot be destroyed.

It is interesting how sometimes death can validate and elevate a cause.