BetteTheRed
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Unsafe, where do you get "exactly" from?
I totally get that the phrases might be interpreted to fit your apocalyptic theology. But it's totally interpretative.
The Parable of the Talents
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I totally get that the phrases might be interpreted to fit your apocalyptic theology. But it's totally interpretative.
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The more I read these Gospels, the more I think that Jesus himself had an apocalyptic theology.
But back to the parable of the talents.
Are there any other parables where it might be possible Jesus was speaking about himself? The parallel text in Luke is the only one that springs to mind for me.
Is apocalyptic comprehension suicidal or martyr-like as when all sentient nature seize 'S us ... and Sus-la proceeds in the dark of night ... and we rest a bit in the outer fringes ...
Then the visions become difficult , complex ... baffling walls! Maybe a mental aberration? Do dense dark clouds warp light as Einsteinian observation ... a science? Bring on the white coat syndrome ... dash of a chance?
Then the visions become difficult , complex ... baffling walls! Maybe a mental aberration? Do dense dark clouds warp light as Einsteinian observation ... a science? Bring on the white coat syndrome ... dash of a chance?
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There's a good question. We always think of Jesus meekly submitting to His Father's will but it's not the only way to tell the story.
Re consider the theory of the greatest escape ... is it from utopia or dystopian means! Then the mystery gave us myths for occupation of time in enjoyment of something other ... until the great ONE makes up a mind ... an abstract process!
Can deconstruction fit in there as the old sole degrades? This goes on and on ... some even have a sense for it ... smells fishy ... right?
It isn't right it is the remnants of the prior ... sometimes seen as Priapus next to the statue of that driven woman ... Aphro Dite who spoke for the turning out of the lights ... and still some do not know they have this dark aura ... just under their skin! Undeveloped melatonin ... once developed they too are out there ... the rest fallen as folly?
One needs to know the dream words ... sacred ... as they dissipate once expressed ... life is odd OK? Needs an ode recorded ... to the honor of what's passed ...
When ONE leaves is it like white lightening from the inside view? Happens in a flash ... some claim they see their entire past go by in an embarrassment! Soul wringing experience ... nothing left but the fabrications: spins, weaves and clippings as patches ... few stitches?
That's lau*ghter ... "gh" being silent ... Tara evolves ... with the breeze ... also unseen!
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No it is very simple to get the true narrative -----if you read the Bible the way it is suppose to be read ------Scripture interprets itself -----Chapter 24 tells you what 25 is about -----
Matthew 24
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The Destruction of the Temple and Signs of the End Times
Chapter 25 is a continuation of 24 ------all 3 parables are to do with the end times -----
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Scholars largely do seem to think that Jesus and Christianity emerged from apocalyptic streams in Judaism like the Pharisees and Essenes so it does seem likely. I don't think he believed people would still be talking about him in 2000 years because I think he believed the Judgement was imminent.
You do realize you are drifting towards literalist and literalism given the conflicting flow at the lighter end? Butt's up ... and Ba'al'm get into the act with the jawboning ... the lion is beat down ... as bad cat or other bestie ... far more to it than meets the physical eye ... some abstract required as part of that darker Ayre ... invisible? Even King David wrestled with that item laid out in the night ... rest, remnant ... all that remained of the Dai? Thus we fall into it ... Midnight in Paris was excellent illustration of things beyond ordinary ... timely flash backs ... just for getting back-up! Old hack ...
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Yes I think the same. But I am prepared to believe that Jesus considered the present day (in his time) to be part of eternal life. His teachings about the kingdom of God are not always about end times.
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Agreeing that it always makes sense to read scripture in context, looking at what comes before and what comes after any particular passage.
Disagreeing that the true narrative can be simply determined.
It would be very helpful to Christians to learn the Jewish understanding of the Ten Commandments. Without examination, they make people obedient to fearful and authoritarian ways. For example, I had a chat with a Jewish friend who told me that it’s considered incumbent upon parents to raise their kids in a way that makes them worthy of honouring in the first place. We are not expected to honour abusive parents, for example. It’s okay to question God on that, as well as on parables that allude to God’s behaviour. That’s why, and because, we’re human.
It’s very eye opening to learn that there are completely different ways of examining religious lessons in Judaism and Christianity. To tell you the truth, it makes me a bit peeved at Christianity. At least, modern Christianity.
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Or at least are applicable to a world pre-end times. The funny thing about end times beliefs is that they do have a basis in reality. I mean, how many civilizations/societies had come and gone in the Mediterranean between the beginning of the first Jewish kingdoms and Jesus' time? Sumer, Akkad, Assyria, Babylon, Achaemanid Persia, Egypt, the Alexandrine Empire and Successors, the Phoenicians and their offshoot the Carthaginians, the various Celtic societies overrun by the Romans, various kingdoms in Asia Minor. The Jewish kingdoms would have been impacted by the Bronze Age collapse, too, which affected several societies in the Eastern Mediterranean. So belief in an "end" actually reflects historical reality, just not at the cosmic "God swoops in a judges the world" level we think of today.
Jude is an old word for power, courage, etc. while Christianity appears a burning alternate ... ahrd to define to those that avoid mediums as a balanced place objecting to extremists ... thus anything affiliated with polity goes as some type of shafting the others ... when the opportunity presents itself ... so hide your mules and donkeys ... it may be a type of DOX (resembles a metaphor)!
I need a break from reality ... it is taxing ... drains the pool!
My friend told me about a conversation with a Rabbi (don’t remember if it was one he had or a story he was telling). He said, the Rabbi would say that we are perfect just as we are, as God made us - so why not be good?
People find that hard to resist and bad is easier when you don't have to meditate onit ... then imagine gods at rest and not causing dissonance (Eris)! Geez ...
Many literature Profs. don't get that factor ...
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Here is something to ponder ------what does it mean that each person was given according to his ability ------1 was given 5 bags ----1 was given 2 bags ----1 was given one bad -----
how did the manager know what their abilities were to divide the bags of Gold to each person as he did -----?????
What is the meaning of each got according to his ability -----???
how did the manager know what their abilities were to divide the bags of Gold to each person as he did -----?????
What is the meaning of each got according to his ability -----???
It’s because that was the tradition. That’s how rabbis teach. To discuss and debate meaning is also part of the tradition. There can be different interpretations - none are necessarily wrong, some are more helpful to human thriving. The parable of the talents could even be understood that way, ironically.
The problem with the story is the assumption that we are supposed to innately know what to do without having been taught or discussing it, or before we’ve learned through trial and error. That’s not fair, or realistic. People who’ve been through many trials often end up with multiple talents.
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In a way, many of his parables point towards a reality that is not yet. How would we explain modern capitalism, airplanes, or cell phones to someone in his time? The parable of the yeast could be seen as pointing to a society in which the attitude of caring for one another permeates all of society or the conviction we are all essentially good and forgiven has everyone living as though they are good and forgiven, free from feeling defective or condemned. The parable of the mustard seed could be seen as pointing to a society with an effective social safety net