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Northwind said:
Sadly, the vaxx/anti-vaxx stuff was not divided along left/right lines. A lot of New Age, personal growth people who are allegedly traditionally on the left were against vaccines.
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I see that as reflective of how relatively useless the Left Right axis is as a literal thing as opposed to a fashion thing?

It groups quite different people into the same groups?

We have to get away from Purity Tests also...those days should be long over...
 
Delightful Life said:
I see that as reflective of how relatively useless the Left Right axis is as a literal thing as opposed to a fashion thing?

It groups quite different people into the same groups?

We have to get away from Purity Tests also...those days should be long over...
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No, if it was a fashion thing, hippies would be out of place in conservatism and I have heard hippie artists tell me they find themselves becoming “more conservative” and repeating some things one might expect Tucker to say. . …I think that by funneling white communitarian people toward nationalism through the holistic channels strengthened the far right. They might appear politically ambiguous, and maybe think they are, but the people pulling the strings to lead them there, are not. That’s how I see it. I’ve seen it for a few years. Nobody believes me. Least of all, the people I referred to. It’s sad to me.

 
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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
No, if it was a fashion thing, hippies would be out of place in conservatism and I have heard hippie artists tell me they find themselves becoming “more conservative” and repeating some things one might expect Tucker to say. . …I think that by funneling white communitarian people toward nationalism through the holistic channels strengthened the far right. They might appear politically ambiguous, and maybe think they are, but the people pulling the strings to lead them there, are not. That’s how I see it. I’ve seen it for a few years. Nobody believes me. Least of all, the people I referred to. It’s sad to me.
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Darling,

Exactly

I am not gainsaying your want to categorize people into Left and Right

That is you

That is how you are doing it

That is fine

It is a useless way to categorize human behaviour

It is trendy in the USA at the moment

Again, I think it is ok that you are using it

You aren't in control of what you Believe

Again, you ordering human behaviour into Left and Right I do not gainsay you

You are ok
 
It’s not useless. It’s not useless to be able to see where people are being pulled, and who that gives power to. I see what’s going on quite clearly. It doesn’t mean I hate anybody but I am frustrated at what’s happened.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
It’s not useless. I see what’s going on quite clearly.
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You don't see it as useless and that is ok

I see the Left Right axis as fashion...a ridiculously simple way of trying to categorize true human diversity into a 1 dimensional scale...

Again, different people can believe differently than you and that is ok

Ok?
 
Delightful Life said:
You don't see it as useless and that is ok

I see the Left Right axis as fashion...a ridiculously simple way of trying to categorize true human diversity into a 1 dimensional scale...

Again, different people can believe differently than you and that is ok

Ok?
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I don’t see it as one dimensional. There’s a reason so many unlikely allies have joined on the right. That opinion hasn’t changed. How I approach it is changing because I’ve met so many different people in recent years and I like them - can’t stand some of their views but they seem alright.
 
And Kimmio, you wrote:
"Nobody believes me. Least of all, the people I referred to. It’s sad to me."

Patently false

Some people do believe you
In fact, I read that all the time in USA, Left and Right, Left good, Right bad, etc etc etc
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
I don’t see it as one dimensional. There’s a reason so many unlikely allies have joined on the right. That opinion hasn’t changed. How I approach it is changing.
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The line is literally 1 dimensional

Left on one side to Right on the other

Literally

One axis

2 dimensional would have an x and a y axis

3 d would be closer to reality, x y and z
 
And of course there are Conservative hippies

The difference between a Liberal and a Conservative is 20 years lol

Liberals Liberate, Conservatives Conserve
Both work together
 
Delightful Life said:
I see that as reflective of how relatively useless the Left Right axis is as a literal thing as opposed to a fashion thing?
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I agree. There is also that grid axis that includes authoritarian vs libertarian. It isn't two dimensional.

I suspect few people are all left or all right. All authoritarian or all libertarian. I know I'm not.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Wavy layers on each side - sometimes they’re condensed in spots or thicker, thinner, smoother, bumpier - sometimes the differences are deep, sometimes shallow - but there is a left and a right side. .
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Glad we could get somewhere, Comerade :3

And by your lights, shouldn't Left be called Right as in Correct? :3
 
Delightful Life said:
Glad we could get somewhere, Comerade :3

And by your lights, shouldn't Left be called Right as in Correct? :3
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No it’s which direction they take up on either side of a divide. I don’t think it’s wise to pretend that’s not there.

The far right means: using the power of the state to support the dominant cultural group. For awhile at least, as long as they’re useful, however it can, the far right will use people who don’t normally identify with that group to support its goals.

First they came for___, but I did not speak out because I was not___ .
Then they came for…(etc)
…and there was no one left to speak for me.
 
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