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If one can get in a controlling (avarice; ever-cold) business of telling of things that cause folk to follow blindly ... one might be a governing agent!

Then there is the ghost of the story that passed through the mind slowly being digested instead of in a fools dash ... something more to ponder while in relief and keeping one's head down! Ր --- Armenian rey a system that the world has been trying to eliminate for years ... thus de Ramah carries on as the essence dances ... photoelectric effect?

What is at the core of this flash? Remains as a vast unknown abyss ... out there ... some say this the spirit or genre of a myth!
 
Part of the forces driving Covid-19 policy making was the desire to look competent and knowledgeable even though no one had enough knowledge to truly make competent decisions. The almost criminal decisions included using LTCs to park infected people which a few health authorities did.

Please review what was known. When it first appeared in North America, a group of people could have a meal together and two to three days later some of them could be dead from the disease. How the disease spread was uncertain and authorities chose to guess it was by droplets rather than aerosols since there is no effective defense against aerosols.

There is an exponential effect relating transmission of infectious diseases to group size. A group of 9 people has 9 times the risk of disease transmission to a group of three people roughly. This drove the decision to minimize group sizes.

There was no data yet relating age to risk for the disease. There was no vaccine or information about how long to develop a safe and effective vaccine. Very quickly the disease started killing large numbers of residents of LTCs. Standard practice is to close access to LTC units when there is an outbreak of an infectious disease.

The failure was not attempting to balance risk of infection with need for social contacts
 
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Part of the forces driving Covid-19 policy making was the desire to look competent and knowledgeable even though no one had enough knowledge to truly make competent decisions. The almost criminal decisions included using LTCs to park infected people which a few health authorities did.

Please review what was known. When it first appeared in North America, a group of people could have a meal together and two to three days later some of them could be dead from the disease. How the disease spread was uncertain and authorities chose to guess it was by droplets rather than aerosols since there is no effective defense against aerosols.

There is an exponential effect relating transmission of infectious diseases to group size. A group of 9 people has 9 times the risk of disease transmission to a group of three people roughly. This drove the decision to minimize group sizes.

There was no data yet relating age to risk for the disease. There was no vaccine or information about how long to develop a safe and effective vaccine. Very quickly the disease started killing large numbers of residents of LTCs. Standard practice is to close access to LTC units when there is an outbreak of an infectious disease.

The failure was not attempting to balance risk of infection with need for social contacts
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Still the science of prions is a virtue unseen ... we don't want to lose the economic benefit ... thus fixes ... connected to edifices of anti knowledge ... tis a painful place if you did wish to know the sad truth ... gospel is we're stupid! Thus the need to get beyond one's elf (lambda function)? It just doesn't and will not go well ... thus our guae ... a mess? MS communication ... little listening with all the mute nations ... pat*riots? Pat ease ...
 
jimkenney12 said:
The almost criminal decisions included using LTCs to park infected people which a few health authorities did.
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Never heard of that, which province was that?
NS had the rule that people could not be transferred to LTC without having tested negative at least twice. Later they created units at hospitals and maybe some LTC for positive patients that didn’t have symptoms to keep them isolated. Patients who came from LTC that had an outbreak always were isolated. Maybe that was the reason we got away better in the first two years.
 
Are you forgetting that this was a new virus, unknown before and that science was developing along with exploring the nature of this virus and it’s variables. It’s like saying- see now, almost everybody has had it and it isn’t that bad- ignoring that this virus has developed along the way to one less dangerous. Health Authorities can only tell people what current science suggests. And they eventually suggested N95 masks. Remember how people started to wipe down all their purchases until it turned out that probably, the risk from touching something wasn’t that great? It was a learning process on all levels.
 
Hear, hear. Changing positions with new information is exactly how science is supposed to operate.

I think the pandemic forced us to confront LTC in a way that was more hidden before. To the point that if you don't realize that, across Canada, LTC, especially "for profit" care, is a clusterfuck of monumental proportions, then you're deaf blind or terrified of your own future.
 
Thanks for that @Mrs.Anteater. Hindsight is 20/20 they say. It's easy to forget that this was a new and deadly virus. It's only less of a threat now because of vaccines and built up immunity. I've gotten all the boosters recommended and don't regret it.
 
Northwind said:
Thanks for that @Mrs.Anteater. Hindsight is 20/20 they say. It's easy to forget that this was a new and deadly virus. It's only less of a threat now because of vaccines and built up immunity. I've gotten all the boosters recommended and don't regret it.
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Actually, it also is less of a thread because it has mutated into a version that is less of a thread. Which was actually predicted to happen by science. But lets not forget the millions of people it killed before that. I read it killed more people in the US weekly than died by car accident monthly. ( and that was in it’s second year). Lets not forget the nurses in Italy ( and possibly elsewhere) who got infected and died and who were told they had to work even if positive themselves because there was nobody else to do the job. Lets not forget all the people with long-Covid. And not that this wasn’t just a cold but it attacked the whole system, causing heart attacks and strokes and kidney failure. In fact, a person I know got it the first time this year and she had an episode similar to a heart attack two weeks later. So even the present version is not harmless.
 
My Pulmonologist reminded me to get my next shot when it became available. He had lost a patient to it the previous day. His message was clear - just because no one seems to be talking about it doesn't mean it is over - it isn't!
 
Are you forgetting that this was a new virus, unknown before and that science was developing along with exploring the nature of this virus and its variables. It’s like saying- see now, almost everybody has had it and it isn’t that bad- ignoring that this virus has developed along the way to one less dangerous. Health Authorities can only tell people what current science suggests. And they eventually suggested N95 masks. Remember how people started to wipe down all their purchases until it turned out that probably, the risk from touching something wasn’t that great? It was a learning process on all levels.
No. But that’s not what happened here. From a credible local paper:

www.straight.com

Dr. Bonnie Henry receives scathing criticism from atmospheric chemistry experts for comment on aerosols

B.C.'s provincial health officer has been a strong advocate for vaccinations, but she's come under criticism from some scientists over her public comments about how COVID-19 is transmitted.
www.straight.com www.straight.com
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
Are you forgetting that this was a new virus, unknown before and that science was developing along with exploring the nature of this virus and it’s variables. It’s like saying- see now, almost everybody has had it and it isn’t that bad- ignoring that this virus has developed along the way to one less dangerous. Health Authorities can only tell people what current science suggests. And they eventually suggested N95 masks. Remember how people started to wipe down all their purchases until it turned out that probably, the risk from touching something wasn’t that great? It was a learning process on all levels.
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I didn’t forget but that’s not what happened here.

www.straight.com

Dr. Bonnie Henry receives scathing criticism from atmospheric chemistry experts for comment on aerosols

B.C.'s provincial health officer has been a strong advocate for vaccinations, but she's come under criticism from some scientists over her public comments about how COVID-19 is transmitted.
www.straight.com www.straight.com
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
This is from 2021- that’s two years old. What exactly is your point?
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Why the tone? What did I say to deserve that?

My point was that I didn’t forget it was a brand new disease and it took time to figure out the mechanism of the virus, how it spread. I get that, but Dr. Henry knew it and she didn’t come out and say so after it was known. When asked questions she gave vague, deflective answers that seemed more about her saving-face than about being straight up honest. I liked her and trusted her but then my opinion changed.

This article is 2 years old because that’s when she started dancing around the truth, or when that was noticed. As a result people on the left of centre, not just the right, lost confidence in her.
 
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This breaks down a lot of what BC was feeling. That be kind, be calm, and be safe started feeling like empty words.

Article from December ‘22. She was a well known figure across Canada - may have had fewer critics in other provinces who were still riding with her earlier praise and catchy slogan but were too busy keeping up with their own provinces to know or stay caught up on what was going on here. Which I’m not blaming them for, btw. Just explaining what I think happened.

thetyee.ca

BC Hasn’t Learned Much from the Pandemic | The Tyee

A report on the provincial response to the COVID-19 pandemic shows citizens are disappointed and disenfranchised. Here’s why.
thetyee.ca thetyee.ca
 
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You couldn't have paid me enough to do Dr Henry's job if I were qualified for it. She came with an excellent background and knowledge. Still, she was dealing with a crazy new virus, severe flak, and the changing landscape that the emerging knowledge brought. What we knew in 2021 is different from what we know now. What we know now is different from what we'll know in two years, four years, ten years. We have come through a crazy event. Was Dr Henry perfect? Nope. Did she have good intentions and knowledge? Yes. My hope is that they have done some reviewing of what happen so that it can help if this happens again.

Those of us born since the end of WWII have live a pretty soft life by comparison to generations before us. We haven't had to deal with world wars or major depressions. I think having to endure a pandemic is our event.

We have all be affected and arguably traumatized by this.

We'll move forward, each in our way and pray that we've learned something.
 
Northwind said:
You couldn't have paid me enough to do Dr Henry's job if I were qualified for it. She came with an excellent background and knowledge. Still, she was dealing with a crazy new virus, severe flak, and the changing landscape that the emerging knowledge brought. What we knew in 2021 is different from what we know now. What we know now is different from what we'll know in two years, four years, ten years. We have come through a crazy event. Was Dr Henry perfect? Nope. Did she have good intentions and knowledge? Yes. My hope is that they have done some reviewing of what happen so that it can help if this happens again.

Those of us born since the end of WWII have live a pretty soft life by comparison to generations before us. We haven't had to deal with world wars or major depressions. I think having to endure a pandemic is our event.

We have all be affected and arguably traumatized by this.

We'll move forward, each in our way and pray that we've learned something.
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True. You couldn’t pay me to do it either. It’s a shame politics got involved - those pressuring for both more and fewer restrictions. I know the disability community was largely upset because many chronically ill people or those with conditions that made them more vulnerable or made life far more complicated if they were to catch Covid, felt they were being left behind, still stuck at home, so that others could get on with living mask and restriction free, and nobody cared. And they weren’t eligible for Covid pay if on disability. I can sympathize with that - they were scared at a time when disabled people felt their lives were at risk or being disregarded on several fronts. Then there were those on the opposite end of it, pressuring politicians about loosening restrictions, calling them oppressive. She really should’ve been more clear and straightforward as new knowledge came in and at times she wasn’t, she was spinning PR but not all the facts when she could’ve. That’s my opinion. I also understand she was probably burnt out.
 
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