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Redbaron said:
Yes, in recent years in some corners this is ‘Palm/Passion Sunday’ when the whole 2 chapters are read. Fortunately, many pastors (including me) do not follow the lectionary that slavishly.
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Yes that's it exactly. I had forgotten about the service being designated Palm /Passion Sunday.
 
paradox3 said:
Yes that's it exactly. I had forgotten about the service being designated Palm /Passion Sunday.
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That must be fairly new. Never heard it before. Seems like a lot to cram into one service, esp. if you're doing a Good Friday service anyway. Pick one story from the period between the triumphal entry and the Crucifixion and focus on that would be the way to play it, I think.
 
Redbaron said:
Yes, in recent years in some corners this is ‘Palm/Passion Sunday’ when the whole 2 chapters are read. Fortunately, many pastors (including me) do not follow the lectionary that slavishly.
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Our church did that one year. In an out of the mouth of babes moment, one young boy rather loudly asked his grandfather when we were going home. There was a giggle because by that point that was the sentiment of most of the congregation
 
Church was great today! (will post a link the how was church today thread) And the sun is out. Went for a walk down at the lake to a different area than usual - wow so much styrofoam & plastic & driftwood washed up with all the stormy windy weather we've been having. Puttered with some planting this afternoon. Watching the Jays ... good grief - after that exciting season opener yesterday & today have been a bit of a washout!
 
About 33 years ago liturgists were bothered that most people want from Palm Sunday to Easter without experiencing Good Friday. They decided it was so important that everyone get the Maundy Thursday and Good Friday that they changed Pslm Sunday to Palm / Passion Sunday. I used the whole service a few times but reverted to straight Palm Sunday when I had permission to do so. It was about this time that the joke csme out asking the difference between liturgists and terrorists. You can negotiate with terrorists.

Each service is special in its own way and most of that is lost in mashing the services together.
 
jimkenney12 said:
About 33 years ago
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LOL, right about the time I started drifting away (though I remained somewhat connected until later in the 90s, including having my wedding in my family church 30 years ago). Kind of glad I missed that one.
jimkenney12 said:
They decided it was so important that everyone get the Maundy Thursday and Good Friday that they changed Pslm Sunday to Palm / Passion Sunday.
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Well, that's one of worse ideas I have heard in the church world. Far from the worst, but definitely far from best, too.
 
I can remember one Good Friday service from my youth, where a pastor newly appointed to our congregation once did a 'traditional' service based on the Seven Last Words, which by tradition lasted from 12 noon to 3 p.m.
I emphasize the word 'once.'
I can sympathize with the kid who yelled out, 'When are we going home?'
 
Mendalla said:
That must be fairly new. Never heard it before. Seems like a lot to cram into one service, esp. if you're doing a Good Friday service anyway. Pick one story from the period between the triumphal entry and the Crucifixion and focus on that would be the way to play it, I think.
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This is my strategy for Palm Sunday. Gives me a variety of approaches and stories, rather than trying to describe the annual parade differently each year.
 
If a criminal charge can be utilized to boost a political issue ... what does this speak about polity? Does it polarize the populace with phobias that are poorly understood? Be at peace, extricate yourself if you have any idea whatsoever.

Then this is intimated (given as a sign or hint to the literally stoic) as a matter of how many illustrations of criminal charge does it take to wake the otherwise and alternately dead to the issue?

Imagine folk that eliminate information from their daily agendas (said to be conspiracies) of a sort that may be identified as schemes, plots and other organizing effects ...

Can such matter transcend ... and become part of the elusive and denied psyche?

Reminds me of troubled meteorologists and the weather failures ... as if it has nothing to do with the surroundings (at times associated with the environment word that is out and about). Duo lye departed ... some went into the emotional con text while other intellectual matter penetrated deeper as Tim ide! Varied literacy of this sort causes a spin of nature expressed in evolving literal development ... and alien words grow with inflation ... especially in what's misty during the understanding phase ... thus A' gape, A' void and other wholly domains ... that present a form of abstract (alternately incomplete portions). It may all be in the mental part that isn't present just now ... in due form departed? How thoughts fade ... a pore lie drawn out understanding! Thus alien portals and mental gates ... synapses? Two deep in technological improbabilities given what we know about exuberance of irrational nature? Balance that out ...

If one stands back ... can one pick out the ones that go the exuberant way and the alternate that dip into the shadow to affect illumination at great cost? Such is a dark art ... I learned that from a mortal in a white coat demonstrating the theory of the Blank Slate! It is an ancient concept that goes on with displaced and disposed evolution of psyche ... as chi like Alice doesn't reside here materially ... defines fringe personalities ... flat against the Wahl? Like oestre ous material; tacky and binding!

Expect metaphorical material of considerable depth because of the stacking order ... oriented in familia advantages ...nepotism in short form like little fat characters ... these must be snouted out and explaining why there are pigs in heaven!
 
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Good morning! Quite the discussion on Palm/Passion Sunday, the reasons behind why it was set up, the reactions of many to it in practice. Anyway, we are beginning a new day, with fresh perked coffee, nice hot water for tea, and maybe some hot cross buns as well. (Maybe a little early in the week for those, but if they can do the Passion on Sunday, the roof won't cave in if we break out the special buns early in the week.) Anyway, all is ready. Let us gather round the Coffee Cart, and continue the conversations.

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Is that anti sophisticated for those demanding simple?

Consider the unknown effect of stimulants on opioid receptors in the cells of humanity and many of the inhumane ...

Alas these devices are very minor and need rooting out! Portion of the mini MU' Cis? These disturbed by Furies ... that may simulate winds and Aeries in improbable domains as powerful character dispute the existence of psyche and information of alien persona! With such icons and intimates ... is it difficult to proceed with the weaker processes? Perhaps a down comer expressed as descendance! Thus intellectual fallacy as healthy factors are shaved for profit! Includes shelter, clothing, food, protection, training and healing for where parts are mist! Thus the nebulous impacts with momentum of poor understanding ... entropy vs enthalpy! Imagine all that goes off into dark zones ... as we absorb pore lyres!
 
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Redbaron said:
Maybe a little early in the week for those, but if they can do the Passion on Sunday, the roof won't cave in if we break out the special buns early in the week.)
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Now that's a logical argument if I ever heard one. Do we have a toaster here on the coffee cart?
 
jimkenney12 said:
It sucks when religious specialists decide what everyone else needs to experience.
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Who were these specialists who decided we should have Palm/ Passion Sunday with the two chapters from the Bible? And why 33 years ago?

It is true enough that Good Friday services are often not well attended. Surely people can make the decision to skip church that day if they want to though.
 
I sm not sure but I believe it was the culmination of lament by many church leaders including liturgists than many regular church goers were lacking experience of the painful part of our faith which gave them an unbalanced understanding of our faith. I started ministry in 1989 and our United Church worship resources had Palm and Passion Sunday within a couple of years of when I started. It might have been a United Church thing or an international liturgical thing.

My first Maundy Thursday service and meal was planned with the assistance of a member who was a Jew before marrying her United Church husband. My last Maundy Thursday service and meal had a Jewish soldier take on the role of Father. That service had between twenty and thirty people present. It felt like a large family gathering.

The Maundy Thursday services helped me feel closer to the Jewishness of Jesus.
 
I checked the copyright date for the latest edition (that I know of) for the Revised Common Lectionary, turns out to be 1992. As I recall, that's about the time when "Palm/Passion Sunday" began to appear. I would imagine that the change in nomenclature and the revision of the RCL are connected.
 
When I returned to church in the early 90's a few things had changed in the decades I had been absent.

The open communion table shocked me to pieces. And I remember hearing that the United Church had been through a liturgical renewal. I wasn't sure exactly what that meant or when it had happened.
 
Good morning. I'm at my sister's hanging with her cat while she and b-i-l head to Alberta for family stuff. It's quiet here and cat isn't sure what to make of me
 
I was out of town this weekend and attended mass with my husband. I was a little distressed at the lack of exuberance I used to feel at Palm Sunday. It was mostly about Good Friday. But we did have palms...although no real waving. One interesting thing about this church was the very white Jesus hanging off the wall at the front of the church (I call it the 'flying white Jesus' ... a little disturbing) but the very multi-cultural and young congregation.
 
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