Euthanasia in Canada, Supreme Court Ruled this Morning

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Hello Void.

My contribution, though I might fail on the brevity part.

Disability and suffering are not the same thing. However, very severe disability can lead to profound suffering for some individuals. Individuals with severe, progressive conditions should have the right to clearly decide what constitutes unbearable suffering, and when and how very severe disability might impact that threshold. It goes without saying that social justice initiatives that create a more inclusive world are important and will, ideally, creates fewer situations where disability is viewed as synonymous with suffering.

Hi DaisyJane,
Disability rights groups feel this decision by the nature of it including permanent conditions not just terminal illness fails at justice and inclusion.

If, for example, feeding tubes are seen as common reasons to want to die instead of demanding quality of life care - such as a care aide or personal assistant - this puts the lives of those living with feeding tubes at a lesser value. If we look at disability lik race or gender - it would be like women wanting to die because they are women and life must be too intolerable - and those women who don't want to die but to live equally with all that might entail, are then seen as lesser. That would never be seen as acceptable in a just society. It's hard because as the articles on bioethics I posted above point out - bioethics and disability rights are two seperate languages.

 

[DaisyJane]

You will note that I included disability WITH a progressive, deteriorating condition. As a result some part of the ongoing experience of disability crosses THEIR threshold of unacceptable. In the end, it will always come back to autonomy and consent. For me, this is like abortion. I would never have an abortion. I would likely feel there is never a situation, FOR ME, to justify an abortion. However I strongly support the right for others to make different choices.

I don't agree that because someone with a severe, intractable condition (say ALS) has decided a feeding tube meets their threshold of unbearable suffering suggests my son's life is of lesser value because he lives with a feeding tube.

 

[Void]

I would erase your "preferably." Consent _must_ be obtained first.

Bonus point awarded.

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

Alzheimers:
A man with alzheimers in a home is violent and persistently goes into another woman's room and beats her severely. Which person should be put down? They are both suffering.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Alzheimers:
A man with alzheimers in a home is violent and persistently goes into another woman's room and beats her severely. Which person should be put down? They are both suffering.

He should be restrained from hurting anyone. I wouldn't say "put down" though!

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Bonus point awarded.

Hey I said "definately" consent. I don't wanna play anymore void.

 

[Waterfall]

Alzheimers:
A man with alzheimers in a home is violent and persistently goes into another woman's room and beats her severely. Which person should be put down? They are both suffering.

This is a different set of questions altogether and requires a different solution and is not about assisted suicide, IMO.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

You will note that I included disability WITH a progressive, deteriorating condition. As a result some part of the ongoing experience of disability crosses THEIR threshold of unacceptable. In the end, it will always come back to autonomy and consent. For me, this is like abortion. I would never have an abortion. I would likely feel there is never a situation, FOR ME, to justify an abortion. However I strongly support the right for others to make different choices.

I don't agree that because someone with a severe, intractable condition (say ALS) has decided a feeding tube meets their threshold of unbearable suffering suggests my son's life is of lesser value because he lives with a feeding tube.

Well I see how it could be seen that way by others, society in general - attitudes get into social consciousness and create prejudice - even if you don't feel that way. So that others would continue to see the lives of people with disabilities as being of lesser value instead of deserving of the care that gives them quality of life as equals. It's more like a race or gender issue than the abortion issue from the disability rights perspective.

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

When you give someone power of attorney, you give them the right to make decisions on your behalf. So you do not need to be of sound mind to get executed. When it becomes too tiresome to visit the drooling stroke patient, the kids decide to have her done in so that they can divvy up the inheritance and get in that well deserved Hawaii vacation.

 

[RitaTG]

Alzheimers:
A man with alzheimers in a home is violent and persistently goes into another woman's room and beats her severely. Which person should be put down? They are both suffering.

How does this even relate to the topic being discussed????? This makes no sense on so many levels
Please Pontifex ..... try and focus ....... we are trying to have a serious discussion.

 

[RitaTG]

When you give someone power of attorney, you give them the right to make decisions on your behalf. So you do not need to be of sound mind to get executed. When it becomes too tiresome to visit the drooling stroke patient, the kids decide to have her done in so that they can divvy up the inheritance and get in that well deserved Hawaii vacation.

Not so at all ........ please read the supreme court ruling and the required benchmarks....
We have been over this ground ....please look back in the thread.

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

can of worms

 

[Jaebius]

Hey I said "definately" consent. I don't wanna play anymore void.

You can have my bonus point then Cousin. Anyone keeping score?

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

This is a different set of questions altogether and requires a different solution and is not about assisted suicide, IMO.

I agree!

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

You can have my bonus point then Cousin. Anyone keeping score?

The score has gone into the Void.

 

[RitaTG]

can of worms

No .... this is adults addressing an adult sized problem..... a very complex and nuanced problem.
This takes careful discussion, research, and deliberation to resolve in a proper way.....
We (Canada) are on our way to doing just that.....
Worse would have been avoiding dealing with the problem at all.

 

[Jaebius]

The score has gone into the Void.

If you don't want it - I'm going to keep it. It will look nice hung up on my wall next to my university diploma.

 

[Waterfall]

When you give someone power of attorney, you give them the right to make decisions on your behalf. So you do not need to be of sound mind to get executed. When it becomes too tiresome to visit the drooling stroke patient, the kids decide to have her done in so that they can divvy up the inheritance and get in that well deserved Hawaii vacation.

And that's why you should choose your POA wisely.

 

[RitaTG]

Has anyone else noticed Pontifex using phrases like "executed" and "put down"????
Hmmmmm ..... seems like emotions are clouding discussion......
I know what that feels like ..... I have been guilty of that on another thread.........

 

[Jaebius]

Has anyone else noticed Pontifex using phrases like "executed" and "put down"????
Hmmmmm ..... seems like emotions are clouding discussion......

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