Novel Coronavirus

[Mrs.Anteater]

How is getting a vaccine bad for them?

You clearly have no experience with people with intellectual disabilities and/ or autism. People who cannot tolerate being touched. People who react with behaviours like banging their heads against the wall continuously. People who can’t sit still long enough to finish a meal.
I admire my friend who works there everyday and gets to know her residents well enough and has the patience to deal with those issues in a peaceful non- forceful way.

 

[ChemGal]

You clearly have no experience with people with intellectual disabilities and/ or autism. People who cannot tolerate being touched. People who react with behaviours like banging their heads against the wall continuously. People who can’t sit still long enough to finish a meal.
I admire my friend who works there everyday and gets to know her residents well enough and has the patience to deal with those issues in a peaceful non- forceful way.

I do have experience. Some people with autism also have insulin dependent diabetes, would you say administering that is bad for them?
Proper medical care?
Hospital care for covid is going to be much worse than seconds of a tiny needle stick.

 

[Waterfall]

I do have experience. Some people with autism also have insulin dependent diabetes, would you say administering that is bad for them?
Proper medical care?
Hospital care for covid is going to be much worse than seconds of a tiny needle stick.

We tend to come from our own perspective, but the fear still exists.

 

[ChemGal]

We tend to come from our own perspective, but the fear still exists.

Some kids fear the first day of school, do we say it's bad for them?
A lot of people fear needed surgery, do we say that's bad for them?

I dealt with my own fear with doing infusions, the infusions weren't bad for me though, they were needed.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Yes, but I think, chemgal, that there's a certain amount of neurotypical privilege in your assumptions. Your very neurotypicality makes your logical adaptation to fear probable, or maybe even possible.

 

[Waterfall]

Some kids fear the first day of school, do we say it's bad for them?
A lot of people fear needed surgery, do we say that's bad for them?

I dealt with my own fear with doing infusions, the infusions weren't bad for me though, they were needed.

Just saying empathy and listening goes a long way and like depression not every healing occurs on someone else's time schedule.

 

[ChemGal]

Just saying empathy and listening goes a long way and like depression not every healing occurs on someone else's time schedule.

I don't think suggesting we give a group which is quite high risk from severe covid complications exemptions from vaccinations is empathetic, especially with the current situation.

 

[Waterfall]

I don't think suggesting we give a group which is quite high risk from severe covid complications exemptions from vaccinations is empathetic, especially with the current situation.

I'm just thinking how we collectively quarantined the elderly before the vaccines but we failed to account for the loneliness they felt when their families couldn't be around. We now try to allow a family member or two to be present.
So couldnt there be other solutions we could come up with that wouldnt pit us against one another over vaccines and Covid but still keep us safe, rather than the escalation we're seeing and sides being taken?

 

[ChemGal]

I'm just thinking how we collectively quarantined the elderly before the vaccines but we failed to account for the loneliness they felt when their families couldn't be around. We now try to allow a family member or two to be present.
So couldnt there be other solutions we could come up with that wouldnt pit us against one another over vaccines and Covid but still keep us safe, rather than the escalation we're seeing and sides being taken?

I am for reasonable exemptions. I just don't see fear being one for this vaccine. As far as fear exposures go, it's on the minimal side while being a full exposure.
Things can be done to help ease it too. Comfortable positioning, mental distractions, numbing the skin, sensation diztractions like the buzzy.

 

[Luce NDs]

What if one is conditioned to fear everything as the book goes; "fear of God is the beginning of ..."

And expect reaction from those that believe they shouldn't be cognizant or know much ...

But yet some claim that God is everything and then conflict themselves ... a natural tendency!

Looking at this from back stage of the presentation ... it seems really odd ... then I've been pushed out of it .. by great powers of denial! There are folk that believe you can deny anything you want without consequence ... and there the unseen conscience picks it up ... autonomously!

Autonomy is a favored position by a bunch of folk ...

If one enters heaven bare boned ... will they resonate with stuff they wouldn't admit to in reality? Music from the wardrobe of veiled bones ... the structure of the story is based on such points ... its in the fossil record! That's auld ...

Did our mysterious maker send us here empty headed or just a specious kull ... perhaps a null point?

 

[KayTheCurler]

As I have shared here before - I live in a small town of a bit less that 5,000. Today the news that has been shared is of Covid deaths. A friend, the same age as me, who lived just down the road when our kids were young and played together. A young woman that I have known since birth as her father was a farm neighbour. Also a young man who worked in a local store.
This is feeling doubly unbearable as many local people, (including us), are still in shock from a nearby murder of a pregnant woman. Killed by someone who is too young to be identified. We know some of the extended family and they are, of course, devastated.
Gonna curl up and weep for them all.

 

[Redbaron]

Won't Mom and Dad be proud....

MAGA Pastor Makes Triumphant Return Home, Gets Arrested Immediately

Artur Pawlowski landed in Canada and was led off the tarmac in handcuffs after spending four months spreading misinformation in the U.S.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[ChemGal]

34 deaths in the last 24 hours. Not sure, may be a new record. Kenney is very much killing people.
Confused, it says over 6 days, but we were given death numbers yesterday too. So some weekend deaths not counted until today's numbers?

 

[BetteTheRed]

Gonna curl up and weep for them all.

Hugs, Kay. To me, this whole pandemic has become a season of grieving, on so many levels. Some days I'm not sure I'm going to uncurl.

Kenney is very much killing people.

Hugs to you, too. You can't avoid contact with the health system. Neither could the Hippie, due to his dialysis and other issues. He caught COVID in the hospital. I might still be bickering with him now if it weren't for that, although, like I said, other issues. In our last months together, we were always arguing about what contact was safe or not - distanced outside on the balcony, walking outside, etc. I kept on warning him about how guilty I'd feel if I ended up infecting the entire dialysis population of the city.

 

[ChemGal]

I have a (online) HAE friend in the hospital. Her attacks get bad and she also has histamine mediated angioedema so often deals with HAE & anaphylaxis together. She's been intubated many times.
She has been in the emergency room for 3 days because she can't get a bed to be admitted properly. She waited with paramedics for hours to get an emergency room bed. She's in MB, not AB or SK where things are currently very bad.

 

[ChemGal]

Support our Schools has 219 schools listed on outbreak. There are schools which have a minimum 10% absentee rate, have a letter from AHS and since the government isn't sharing this information only those schools where someone has sent the letter to SOS get included in the count. In Edmonton my subzone once again has the highest number of covid cases but no schools here are on the list, so I'm sure there's a good number of cases and schools mot being counted.

 

[Waterfall]

As I have shared here before - I live in a small town of a bit less that 5,000. Today the news that has been shared is of Covid deaths. A friend, the same age as me, who lived just down the road when our kids were young and played together. A young woman that I have known since birth as her father was a farm neighbour. Also a young man who worked in a local store.
This is feeling doubly unbearable as many local people, (including us), are still in shock from a nearby murder of a pregnant woman. Killed by someone who is too young to be identified. We know some of the extended family and they are, of course, devastated.
Gonna curl up and weep for them all.

Hugs Kay....I hope you have a good support system with others that you can talk about this with, it would be hard to face all this alone.

 

[Waterfall]

On another note, it is being declared that Ontario has avoided a devastating fourth wave....to be honest it doesn't even feel like we've had a "wave" at all yet. It seems a bit premature to me, but this is one time I hope I'm absolutely wrong. With winter just approaching and indoor activities increasing it seems an announcement such as this would have been better declared in the coming spring. My fears are that we are being lulled into a false security that will once again cause us to be unprepared.

 

[Luce NDs]

There are folks that wave the most alien concepts off like they didn't exist ... social health concerns being one of interest to those that are not in some form of denial!

May approach a social democratic stance as the Nazi used to call hi'self! Careful how the word is applied ...

 

[Mendalla]

On another note, it is being declared that Ontario has avoided a devastating fourth wave....to be honest it doesn't even feel like we've had a "wave" at all yet. It seems a bit premature to me, but this is one time I hope I'm absolutely wrong. With winter just approaching and indoor activities increasing it seems an announcement such as this would have been better declared in the coming spring. My fears are that we are being lulled into a false security that will once again cause us to be unprepared.

Actually, if you look at the projections the panel actually released, the possibility of it worsening, even in the new future, is still there. It is just that the current trend is away from the worst case. Assuming we continue to see a decline in the test positivity rate and new cases in the fourth wave, a winter surge would likely be labelled the "fifth wave".