The Church Vs. The State Civil Disobedience

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Ritafee said:
The pastor that has taken over for the jailed pastor continues to do what Pastor Coates was arrested for ... why has he not been arrested. And if he were arrested and bail conditions were set in the same fashion ... the second pastor would refuse them as well. And so on and so on. So ... that is my point ... they tried and failed to make the 1st pastor that they arrested 'bow'. And there are more churches opening up ... or moving congregations into the street so to speak.
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If the state really wanted to destroy the churches as some are alleging this is one congregation that continues to stick its head into the mouth of the lion. After smearing generous portions of bar-b-que sauce on their head.

That authorities have refrained from cracking down on this once congregation suggests that those policing may not be the demonic thugs that they are alleged to be.

There is already a case before the courts. It will play out as it does and if this congregation has continued to flaunt public health protocols I suspect that there will be further fines issued.

I'm not sure how many Pastors deep the congregation is. I understand why the police might not want to push the issue and it has nothing to do with the police agreeing with the Church's position. It has everything to do with maintaining public peace. But that is a policing matter and open to debate. If the crown has an issue with police not arresting the second pastor then the crown has levers at its disposal to get them to act.

It isn't about "bowing" it is about cooperating.

The state isn't forcing the Pastor to eat pork sacrificed on God's altar and as the congregation has already ackowledged, they have the means to act in compliance with Public Health Protocols. They simply have chosen to challenge those charged as guardians of the Public Health. They bow to one set of wisdom that is not demonstrably more Godly. It simply allows them to do as they wish. Ears can be tickled. Discernment matters.

Are more churches moving to the street? Does that signify that the spirit impelling them is Holy or is it Contrarian? Again, discernment matters.

John
 
Would eating pork be akin to being forced in to politics of the pork belly sort? Some insist on having the whole thing ... and leaving a mental void when the alternates wonder what happened to the equitable shares ...

Politicians would but that consideration out of bounds ... inappropriate?

Besides anyone in their right mind wish to know the whole story and what is left ... untold? Part of the unconscious mental process! Blinded, blocked and excluded ... the great divide?

I love working with those spots in the psyche (said to be a mire essence or vapor; plasma)! Some flashing may occur in the deeps ... distant Q loose ... to pair with the roué (þ). Arid lettermen ... sevyll?

Gets complicated ... left-unmindful ... a disaster! Thus the control by rite syndrome ...
 
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Luce NDs said:
Would eating pork be akin to being forced in to politics of the pork belly sort? Some insist on having the whole thing ... and leaving a mental void when the alternates wonder what happened to the equitable shares ...
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Who gets forced into that? Connections get you there.

Reference was to the abomination of desecration.
 
Secretion/desecration ... the process of getting through it the best way possible ... some sharing is hinted at in a golden manner ...

Really! Can it go both ways? Piggys in the marketplace??? There's a metaphor there somewhere in the trough -- That Huffington lady!

May create another splash!
 
revjohn said:
That authorities have refrained from cracking down on this once congregation suggests that those policing may not be the demonic thugs that they are alleged to be.

There is already a case before the courts. It will play out as it does and if this congregation has continued to flaunt public health protocols I suspect that there will be further fines issued.
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THe church has now been charged as an entity (which should have happened previously IMO):
edmonton.ctvnews.ca

GraceLife Church charged under Public Health Act, due in court in May

A church west of Edmonton that has defied a closure order from public health authorities and continued to hold services has been charged with breaking the Public Health Act.
edmonton.ctvnews.ca edmonton.ctvnews.ca
 
The ascendancy of The Covid-faith during this crisis is fast becoming the 'new normal' religion.

And like the Christian Bible, which few have read but many can quote ...

The dogma of Public Health 'Authority' is equally unthinkingly quoted by the COVID-faithful, who repeat its catechisms in response to any attempt to question or correct the medically meaningless orthodoxies of the ‘New Normal’, whether that’s maintaining social distancing, wearing a mask in public, self-quarantining on the basis of an RT-PCR test, or the vaccination programme.

The COVID-faith most resembles the fundamentalist churches.

There is only orthodoxy and heresy, complete and unthinking obedience to the word of the law or criminal transgression.

The very act of questioning is now silenced at source.

And as we are seeing with every new announcement by the high priests of medicine immediately made into law by the Government and enforced by the state, speech that is not authorised by dogma is now a crime, condemning the speaker to isolation, inquisition, conversion and, if its cultic practices are not embraced, punishment and imprisonment.

I have been reading Giorgio Agamben in Medicine as Religion ...
 
Questioning is great. That's not what is happening when language suggesting this is some kind of covid religion is not questioning. It is equally as close-minded as those they accuse.
 
Mendalla said:
The problem with being medium is that both sides hate you. The right thinks you're too left and the left think you're too right. Of course, that's just a sign you've got it right. Or left. Or whatever.o_O
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Well there's that...... :p :giggle:
 
Mendalla said:
The problem with being medium is that both sides hate you. The right thinks you're too left and the left think you're too right. Of course, that's just a sign you've got it right. Or left. Or whatever.o_O
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Some old sage said this some years ago ... could be abstract or imaginary as the dark night of the soul ... black being and absent attribute and possibly unseen without contrast! Thus boiling billies ... Matilda Dances about it ... and then T'is on ... if you can't get your head around it put some imagination in it ... an abstract of unreal nature?

Creates the necessity for the myth ... misty or not as a clouded visor by the beauty! Black Pool is a hard place ... like onyx ...

Or then my love is like a red red rose is not metaphorical ... may be a sign of nothing coming?
 
Mendalla said:
The problem with being medium is that both sides hate you. The right thinks you're too left and the left think you're too right. Of course, that's just a sign you've got it right. Or left. Or whatever.o_O
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Yet another consequence of the fake duality that culture wants to apply to everything.

It's more confusing, perhaps, but also clearer, I think, to think of a personal existence as an enormous 'net' of intersecting continuums.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Yet another consequence of the fake duality that culture wants to apply to everything.

It's more confusing, perhaps, but also clearer, I think, to think of a personal existence as an enormous 'net' of intersecting continuums.
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Thus the great shuttle makes up the fates as spinner, weaver and clipper ... and so much to patch up giving the movements ... there are a series of metaphors for those personality attributes that are superficial in the story ...

It gets much deeper ... thus that belly laugh ...
 
revjohn said:
If the state really wanted to destroy the churches as some are alleging this is one congregation that continues to stick its head into the mouth of the lion.
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Some prefer to tell one another that they are being ‘responsible’ by refusing to question a Government policy designed, of course, to ‘save lives,’ but this means that they partake in the state’s management of society rather than in holding power to account.

As far as these congregations go ... they are holding power to account. That is the interest I have here. I am equally in favor of heads of BBQ sticking their necks out. Business is business ... whether it be under cover as a God business or and Adams Ribs business ... salt and light are in order.
 
Did I say that? I was comparing the selfless minister of that village , where it was all about protecting the OTHER , to the Edmonton minister ,where it is all about ME
 
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