The Church Vs. The State Civil Disobedience

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Ritafee said:
These are not laws they are arbitrary restrictions ... I have done my research.
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They are restrictions - temporarily enforceable by law. Whatever semantics you choose - he did something illegal because it puts people in danger. People have responsibilities to keep other people safe in this society whether they'd defy that or not. It's called being your brother's (or sister's) keeper. And because people are selfish, they need rules.

You do know that people breaking the covid rules are prolonging the pandemic, and prolonging the rules, don't you?
 
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Ritafee said:
No he is a man acting in good concience ... left alone he would have done no harm ... so if the law did not want to make a martyr of him they could have just locked his church doors ...
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Left alone he did harm. People were drawn in, by him compelling them in by telling them what they want to hear. He was handed a ticket twice, wasn't he? He didn't go to jail right away. He was openly flouting the rules - which was a stupid thing to do in his case.
 
Ritafee said:
they could have just locked his church doors ...
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But they did not ... and the Sunday following his incarceration another Pastor gave a sermon in that same church. A church that has a 400 person capacity was filled to overflowing ... regular congregation and many 'outsiders' to boot ... but they were not booted or arrested and I have not yet determined if they were even fined.

I am not going to the MSM for news on this open church event ... I am however finding multiple videos and interviews through independent media .... and not just Canadians. Some haters of course .... but also much support.
 
It is awesome what some people believe and disbelieve ... while breathing the same air!

Could be contagious ... common Eire is commonwealth, yet the wealthy and powerful deny ...
 
I understand that Jesus, in the tradition of Hebrew prophets, was resistant to the dominance of Church and State. He affirmed personal responsibility as the means to healing and renewal. This is consistent with the witness of Socrates some four hundred years previous. Both were sentenced to death in consequence of their public presence.

The COVID threat is most likely rooted in the human abuse of the natural order; which is the source and substance of our human being. Polluting air and water in the name of progress has brought us to the brink of catastrophe. This is the challenge we face together. So why is the whole world focused on compliance to State regulation? Why are we not focused on the way of healing and renewal? Because of our seduction by ideas serving money rather than natural well being.
 
GeoFee said:
The COVID threat is most likely rooted in the human abuse of the natural order; which is the source and substance of our human being.
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Not really, actually. Ever since human beings began to overpopulate the planet, and part of that can be laid squarely at the feet of Christianity with its "go forth and multiply" ethos, we have been at increased risk of negative interactions with the natural world.
 
Lastpointe said:
do you really not think this is contagious?
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Barring that the graph is not really indicative of verifiable statistics ...

I will say that I have no real doubt that there are contagious pathogens around us now and likely more to come.

This does not excuse state tyranny. The lockdowns and masks as mandated are not helping and they are causing more collateral damage than the corona ... in real time ... this church has remained open at full capacity for many weeks ... they sing and they do not follow state mandates ... they do practice common sense ... no deaths have resulted. I do not agree with all of their theology but I do support them for the stance that they have taken ... the proof is in the pudding so to speak.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Not really, actually. Ever since human beings began to overpopulate the planet, and part of that can be laid squarely at the feet of Christianity with its "go forth and multiply" ethos, we have been at increased risk of negative interactions with the natural world.
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Living is a risky business compounded not as much by over population as it is by monetization artificial scarcity and monopolization of the resources that were meant for all being hoarded by the few. Eugenics and Genocides are not the solution.
 
When one species dominates, they all suffer.

Pandemics are one of nature's ways of reducing population to more manageable proportions.
 
Ritafee said:
Barring that the graph is not really indicative of verifiable statistics ...

I will say that I have no real doubt that there are contagious pathogens around us now and likely more to come.

This does not excuse state tyranny. The lockdowns and masks as mandated are not helping and they are causing more collateral damage than the corona ... in real time ... this church has remained open at full capacity for many weeks ... they sing and they do not follow state mandates ... they do practice common sense ... no deaths have resulted. I do not agree with all of their theology but I do support them for the stance that they have taken ... the proof is in the pudding so to speak.
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No deaths have resulted? How do you know? Have you tracked their friends and family too? And what about those who have survived Covid, were any tracked to this church?
 
Ritafee said:
Right ... wars and tyrannical governments are unnaturally another.
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I don't know about the "tyrannical governments". Even the killing-est of states - China and the U.S. - murder only a tiny fraction of their citizens.

Wars, yes, but not so much of the "participants" - those who choose military service as a career - but of civilian "collateral damage". We, as a world, accept this. So, it appears to be somewhat "natural" to humanity.
 
Waterfall said:
No deaths have resulted? How do you know? Have you tracked their friends and family too? And what about those who have survived Covid, were any tracked to this church?
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I am not interested in finding evidence for your fears ... search away if that is what you are looking for.
 
BetteTheRed said:
I don't know about the "tyrannical governments". Even the killing-est of states - China and the U.S. - murder only a tiny fraction of their citizens.

Wars, yes, but not so much of the "participants" - those who choose military service as a career - but of civilian "collateral damage". We, as a world, accept this. So, it appears to be somewhat "natural" to humanity.
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You may accept it ... I do not.

Democide as a concept describes "the intentional killing of an unarmed or disarmed person by government agents acting in their authoritative capacity and pursuant to government policy or high command." This definition covers a wide range of deaths, including forced labor and concentration camp victims; killings by unofficial private groups; extrajudicial summary killings; and mass deaths due to governmental acts of criminal omission and neglect such as in deliberate famines as well as killings by de facto governments, i.e. civil war killings.

And then there is also medical malpractice ...
 
Ritafee said:
Barring that the graph is not really indicative of verifiable statistics ...
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Statistics compiled by public health units. In Canada, anyway, I trust public health statistics. I have a friend, who is retired, but still does freelance work, from several Ontario Health Units. I find her science, and her attitudes, absolutely compelling.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Statistics compiled by public health units. In Canada, anyway, I trust public health statistics. I have a friend, who is retired, but still does freelance work, from several Ontario Health Units. I find her science, and her attitudes, absolutely compelling.
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I tend to find actual evidence more compelling than statistics.
 
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