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Bluntly ... our seniors range from high 70's to high 90's and they are numerous. Garry and I both come from large families. I spoke with his Uncle Arnold yesterday ... he is 91 and lives alone in a huge house ... his day consisted of raking his yard ... driving to his autopac agent to renew his insurance ... shopping for groceries ... driving to his brother's (Garry's 98 year old FATHER) and dropping off some bread and favorite 'small cinnamon buns' at the guarded entrance to his brother's home ... where his brother lives alone and is getting confused as to why he is no longer allowed visitors and why he now has to eat his meals in his room again. My brother GEORGE is a senior for crying out loud. There are many seniors relative to me that are 'vulnerable' yet surprisingly far more concerned for the well being of their grands than they are for themselves. My own present needs are very much concerned with the well being of the children ... all the children ... not just my own. The majority of the seniors that I know ... are not afraid of 'the virus' as much as they are afraid of dying alone. They are all afraid of being 'locked up in an institution' if they report any 'dis-ease' so they are all 'fine' all the time. The children around me are suitably well adapted to the idea that they are all 'infectious' and must not be selfish and complain ... because after all ... it is their fault that they feel healthy enough to not understand the severity of their threat to the 'vulnerable'. My Senior is not Dead ... if you are referring to my dear mother ... she would never have condoned this hysteria ... she was a woman of extraordinary faith and a master of common sense.Bluntly, your "senior" is dead, you have grands. You are, predictably, focusing on your own present needs. I have no elders, no grands, I can be a bit more dispassionate.
Where were they 2 years ago? Overall, 276,689 people died in Canada (excluding Yukon) in 2017, with cancer and heart disease accounting for almost half of all deaths.There's also the long term aspect where will the kids with cardiac problems be 2 years from now if there's a lot more adults with cardiac problems?
There's normal levels but the health care system is already strained on a day to day virus without the pandemic. If all the sudden there are many more people with fairly serious chronic health issues I think we're going to be in a rough shape for a long time.Where were they 2 years ago? Overall, 276,689 people died in Canada (excluding Yukon) in 2017, with cancer and heart disease accounting for almost half of all deaths.
You seem to have a strange idea of what a lockdown is. In the state I live in - NSW - people could leave their home to exercise, shop for necessary groceries, chemists, medical surgeries. Post offices ,newsagents, public transport all were continued. You were expected to social distance, wash hands etc. The only hardships I experienced in the months of lockdown, were limiting visitors and not being allowed to shop in department stores, furniture stores, etc and visit cinemas. In NSW masks were advised - but not mandated.Why not restrictions before a full lockdown? Less deaths due to other causes.
I see no reason to stop children from going outside to play, especially if distancing from other cohorts. Picking up food from a restaurant, whether curbside or drive thru is very low risk, ditto for curbside pickups at stores, etc.
I think it's also reasonable to let people get the groceries that they want, limiting numbers in stores.
Going for a walk in a non-crowded area doesn't seem like it would contribute to spread.
Of course there is growing concern over mental health. Unless you're over 100 years old, this pandemic is unprecedented in first world countries. Folks are frightened and anxious and feeling insecure.There's growing concern about the toll this has taken on the mental health of Victorians, with the Prime Minister warning (October 27th) that the impacts will be felt for years to come.
I don't tend to demand particular behaviours from others. I wear a mask, wish others did too but accept that it is their decision. I try to avoid being near such people without making a fuss about telling them they must wear one, Others may. Their choice.So then ... If others like myself do not consent to 'restrictions' as mandated by the 'nanny state' we should be allowed to go about our business in our own fashion and no one should object or interfere one way or the other.
Pilgrims did Australia stop all incoming and outgoing air travel? or any other types of transportation that came from other countries or even from city to city within Australia?You seem to have a strange idea of what a lockdown is. In the state I live in - NSW - people could leave their home to exercise, shop for necessary groceries, chemists, medical surgeries. Post offices ,newsagents, public transport all were continued. You were expected to social distance, wash hands etc. The only hardships I experienced in the months of lockdown, were limiting visitors and not being allowed to shop in department stores, furniture stores, etc and visit cinemas. In NSW masks were advised - but not mandated.
When you compare it to the conditions refugees experience in our Australian offshore detention camps, it entitled minimal hardship -for a limited time. Our refugee camps are a national disgrace..
The state of Victoria had a somewhat harsher lockdown for a longer period - but there was a good reason for it - as the tracing was initially poorly run. To that governments credit - there have been no cases for over a week now.
This is great news but shouldn't we also be watching for news on how long immunity lasts?Since I don't see this posted here, yet, some positive news on the vaccine front. As Fauci in the US pointed out, this bodes well for the possibility of a vaccine in general.
Pfizer Inc. did not provide any more details , and cautioned the initial protection rate might change by the time the study ends. Even revealing such early data is highly unusual.This is great news but shouldn't we also be watching for news on how long immunity lasts?
Folks are frightened and anxious and feeling insecure.
You would more accurately relay that folks are being unduly frightened and the draconian response by their 'government' is unprecedented. The pandemic has turned into a testdemic and the insecurities are being manufactured ... but are not warranted. You do not want to hear that I know. And I have not denied that there is a 'disease' or that people should not take reasonable precautions to avoid 'contagion'. The measures that are being 'mandated' are causing more harm than good and it is getting pretty hard for some of us to ignore that. Life is risky. If you want to live in your bubble ... no one is stopping you from doing so. Speaking for all of Victoria ... I think I will take my cue from the thousands and thousands of 'expert' voices that are opposed to any more government sanctions and the millions and millions of people that are in agreement with them who are trying to bring their voices to the public square but being prohibited from doing so without being 'quashed' and propagandized as 'conspiracy theorists'. Disagreeing with you or others here does not make me right or you wrong or visa versa ... but we should all be allowed a space at the table and in the media and in the public square.this pandemic is unprecedented in first world countries.
SPACE AT THE TABLE!!!!Disagreeing with you or others here does not make me right or you wrong or visa versa ... but we should all be allowed a space at the table and in the media and in the public square.
And how exactly do you explain the rates of Covid in the USA right now.....who seem to be following your "advice".You would more accurately relay that folks are being unduly frightened and the draconian response by their 'government' is unprecedented. The pandemic has turned into a testdemic and the insecurities are being manufactured ... but are not warranted. You do not want to hear that I know. And I have not denied that there is a 'disease' or that people should not take reasonable precautions to avoid 'contagion'. The measures that are being 'mandated' are causing more harm than good and it is getting pretty hard for some of us to ignore that. Life is risky. If you want to live in your bubble ... no one is stopping you from doing so. Speaking for all of Victoria ... I think I will take my cue from the thousands and thousands of 'expert' voices that are opposed to any more government sanctions and the millions and millions of people that are in agreement with them who are trying to bring their voices to the public square but being prohibited from doing so without being 'quashed' and propagandized as 'conspiracy theorists'. Disagreeing with you or others here does not make me right or you wrong or visa versa ... but we should all be allowed a space at the table and in the media and in the public square.
And? I would be more upset if Canada wasnt looking at those working on vaccines.Pfizer Inc. did not provide any more details , and cautioned the initial protection rate might change by the time the study ends. Even revealing such early data is highly unusual.
But Ottawa has signed deals for millions of doses of vaccines from several groups of developers anyway.
It was based on what was shared plus what a lockdown is. I did see on the news people being unable to leave or if movement is happening with a lot of control over it and it not being granted to everyone. A lockdown does mean no movement in general. An area in a neighborhood I lived in had one once due to a hostage situation - no traffic allowed on the streets police went to homes and told people they could no step outside if they had to they could call an get an escort. I've said from the beginning of this to let's not use extreme language for restrictions. How are people going to rhe grocery store in lockdown? China had a lockdown in parts at times. Yes people could leave to get necessities, but extremely controlled they had specific days. Drones would fly around telling people to go home if outside. Children on bike rides for fun and socialization isn't lockdown.You seem to have a strange idea of what a lockdown is. In the state I live in - NSW - people could leave their home to exercise, shop for necessary groceries, chemists, medical surgeries. Post offices ,newsagents, public transport all were continued. You were expected to social distance, wash hands etc. The only hardships I experienced in the months of lockdown, were limiting visitors and not being allowed to shop in department stores, furniture stores, etc and visit cinemas. In NSW masks were advised - but not mandated.
When you compare it to the conditions refugees experience in our Australian offshore detention camps, it entitled minimal hardship -for a limited time. Our refugee camps are a national disgrace..
The state of Victoria had a somewhat harsher lockdown for a longer period - but there was a good reason for it - as the tracing was initially poorly run. To that governments credit - there have been no cases for over a week now.