So in a nutshell ... votes don't count for much if the only choice you have is evil or evil.
The consolidation of oligarchic power under Donald Trump or the consolidation of oligarchic power under Joe Biden. The oligarchs, with Trump or Biden, will win again. We will lose. The oligarchs made it abundantly clear, should Bernie Sanders have miraculously become the Democratic Party nominee, they would join forces with the Republicans to crush him. The oligarchs preach the mantra of the least-worst to us when they attempt to ram a Hillary Clinton or a Joe Biden down our throats but ignore it for themselves. They prefer Biden over Trump, but they can live with either. - Chris Hedges
Sanders apparently believed that if he was obsequious enough to the Democratic Party elite, they would give him a chance in 2020, a chance they denied him in 2016. Politics, I suspect he would argue, is about compromise and the practical. This is true. But playing politics in a system that is not democratic is about being complicit in the charade. Sanders misread the Democratic Party leadership, swamp creatures of the corporate state. He misread the Democratic Party, which is a corporate mirage. Its base can, at best, select preapproved candidates and act as props at rallies and in choreographed party conventions. The Democratic Party voters have zero influence on party politics or party policies. Sanders’ naivete, and perhaps his lack of political courage, drove away his most committed young supporters. They are right. He is wrong. We need to overthrow the system, not placate it. - Chris Hedges
There is no choice ... It's a Big Club and YOU ain't in it! George Carlin
The choice between Biden and Trump is still a choice between less awful and really awful. That's still a choice. Unless Trump screws with voting to keep himself "installed". A nudge to the left is better than nothing. It is anti-fascist. It opens the door for left democrats to push for more progressive policies. It will take a couple more elections after that - after the old-guard is unable to run - to move to a truly progressive government. Chris Hedges is not helping.
Not really true. They have fallible human (Biden) vs diabolical enigma (Trump).
I disagree. From a future possibility perspective.
Still the same team.
The People's Party is not helping, imo. It's going to confuse things further. Which Trump would welcome. It's too late for momentum on a third party and so a vote for them is a vote for Trump. I hope they elect Biden then run a left wing Bernie style people's party in the next midterms.
I get it ... you would rather be a fascist for 4 years than stop being a fascist now. Point taken.
No. I'd rather people move strategically toward a democratic socialist government by strategically voting out the far right neofascists in power, and so the neonazi groups who help form their base of support do not have their voices amplified. Then I would like to see a better real left wing third party get elected everywhere at the local and state levels, and then they have a chance in the following election. Voting for them now strategically works in favour of the far right. If the Dems and Repubs were rated on a fascism scale; Dems would get a 2/10 "Potentially Hitler" rating. Repubs 8/10.
So I guess you'd rather be a fascist if you don't care if vote splitting reelects a government that's seriously only a couple of steps away from becoming like the nazis.
If I voted I would vote my conscience. I would NOT choose to be a fascist collaborator like yourself.
I'm not a fascist collaborator. I understand that just like it takes time and strategy for a fascist government system to build. It takes some time and strategy to undo and replace it with a non-fascist system.