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That would be far more productive. Anyone have his contact info? It would be nice to hear directly from him rather than from his self-appointed spokeswoman.
Can we please stop misusing the name "Karen"?
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That would be far more productive. Anyone have his contact info? It would be nice to hear directly from him rather than from his self-appointed spokeswoman.
I don't want to invite him. I think he's probably busy and this discussion doesn't shine a good light on WC - but go ahead. It's probably a good idea.
I'm not his spokeswoman. You just sound snide and petty and dismissive. I was defending the use of the word Karen - especially since he and his sister did use it. There is no denying that they did use it. The question then, to you and others is "are you making exceptions to your global objection to labelling, or not?" And why or why not. That itself isn't speaking for Chris. It's trying to get a direct honest answer from you.
I think this discussion has been very productive. It just took a turn that wasn't expected and didn't go where everybody wanted it to go.
Do they have to articulate the way you want them to, also? "Hood" language isn't good enough for you to listen to?
If some are "not articulate" as you say a) a maybe they don't speak just to please white people b) they don't have to c) it doesn't mean they are not intelligent
I think I already recommended this movie - it's brilliant satire (with ideas that are not often considered) articulated very well - written and directed by Bootsie Collins, a black activist. Most of you probably wouldn't like/ get the whole thing, though.
That movie hits all the critical notes, from racism to the worst of capitalism.
Bootsie Collins is a writer, director, black activist, music producer and a musician and rapper. He's very accomplished - and white people even know about him now! (truthful sarcasm) Some of this song may not seem "well articulated" - you have listen a few times and respect the intelligence and creative genius he has in his own right.
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Let's hear from a Real Karen ...
For Karen Andrews, the federal member for the Gold Coast-based seat of McPherson,
Karen memes have been a source of amusement.
But she said she had grown uneasy with the increasingly pejorative usage.
"We do laugh about it, and even at home if I'm not happy about it, my kids will say,
'Uh, oh, Karen is going to call the manager'," she said.
"There is a more serious side to what is happening with it at the moment,
where it is an opportunity for people to behave badly with a level of anonymity."
"A real Karen would have been wanting to see the manager at Bunnings and say,
'No-one should be allowed in here if they are not wearing a mask'."
"But then there is the fake Karen who doesn't want to play by the rules."
"The fake Karen is just appalling, not acceptable, and they should not be able to hide behind
something that is pretty light-hearted and pretty much fun."
This real Karen ...
has placed at 5th on the top 10 richest Australian politician list
has political affiliations with the National Liberal Party and represents the people of Queensland
has served as the parliamentary secretary and also serves as the Science and Industry minister
has estimated net worth of US $ 900 MILLION
has the political and financial clout to put her money where her maskerated mouth is.
This real Karen is a 1st class parasite and is bleeding her constituents to death.
This real Karen has made me cry today.
For Karen Andrews, the federal member for the Gold Coast-based seat of McPherson,
Karen memes have been a source of amusement.
But she said she had grown uneasy with the increasingly pejorative usage.
"We do laugh about it, and even at home if I'm not happy about it, my kids will say,
'Uh, oh, Karen is going to call the manager'," she said.
"There is a more serious side to what is happening with it at the moment,
where it is an opportunity for people to behave badly with a level of anonymity."
"A real Karen would have been wanting to see the manager at Bunnings and say,
'No-one should be allowed in here if they are not wearing a mask'."
"But then there is the fake Karen who doesn't want to play by the rules."
"The fake Karen is just appalling, not acceptable, and they should not be able to hide behind
something that is pretty light-hearted and pretty much fun."
This real Karen ...
has placed at 5th on the top 10 richest Australian politician list
has political affiliations with the National Liberal Party and represents the people of Queensland
has served as the parliamentary secretary and also serves as the Science and Industry minister
has estimated net worth of US $ 900 MILLION
has the political and financial clout to put her money where her maskerated mouth is.
This real Karen is a 1st class parasite and is bleeding her constituents to death.
This real Karen has made me cry today.
Boots Riley. That was my stupid mistake. Bootsy Collins is from Parliament Funkadelic - also a creative genius, and activist. Boots Riley did the above work. - with his group called The Coup, as well as the movie Sorry to Bother You. I'd bet my last 5 bucks he doesn't think using the word Karen is a problem.
Dave Eggers, a white writer from the Bay Area, who wrote one of my favourite novels: "A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius" - you may know him from "The Circle", book and movie, a capitalist/ technocracy critique - published Boots' manuscript for Sorry to Bother You (which has some of the same concerns woven throughout), in the magazine McSweeny's, and that opened the door to make the movie.
shadowandact.com
(This riff I'm on comes from the comments about black people who sound "less articulate" using the word Karen) - sorry to bother you.
Boots Riley Isn't Sorry To Bother You -- And His Personal History Proves It - Blavity
Sorry to Bother You is taking viewers across the country on a surreal, riveting and socially conscious joyride in the theaters. But, people may still be wondering about the mastermind behind the non-traditional Hollywood hit. Activist and hip-hop veteran Raymond Lawrence ‘Boots’ Riley may be new...
(This riff I'm on comes from the comments about black people who sound "less articulate" using the word Karen) - sorry to bother you.
Boots talking about addressing capitalism and poverty in his activist music. He said, "Our targets aren't the elected officials. Our targets are the puppet masters behind the puppets."
(My opinion: The work Karen is a tool to call out those puppet masters - enough of those who helped elect Trump are entitled white women, right? In a universal, political way, I think, it works.)
Interesting and related to articulation of language, is the discussion about "code switching" at the 9:15 point in the video.
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And if I said that as I have been known to do ... what do you call me?
You aren't targeting the puppet masters as much as you think - many of your conspiracy theory following and promoting actually supports the worst of them.
Later in the interview they mention BBQ Becky, and what that's about.
@Ritafee Boots is a leftist not a libertarian. He's an "anarchist", in the true sense you're not, imo. You just get pissed at anybody telling you what to do even if it's for the common good - like a defiant teenager. Libertarians are not anarchists they're overgrown spoiled teenagers that promote policies - or ideas about deregulating everything including business and guns - and conspiracies that clearly don't support the common good. They support the puppet masters. They actually are the puppet masters. In America, libertarians are the puppet masters and neoliberalism is the strings, of capitalism.
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This post should've been for @Mrs.Anteater. She was the first to mention "articulate" language.
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@Ritafee you might be interested in this from 2002. Boots Riley discussing Enron. He knew exactly what was happening - he’s a truth teller. He doesn’t do his activist work or his art for fame and money. Others might be interested in witnessing the appalling behaviour of everybody else on the show - it’s not super overt racism but it’s racism. And I feel like those people all needed derogatory monikers at that time because their arrogant displays are too vague to be pointed out with specificity - it’s there hidden in plain view like sociopaths. Karens and Kens certainly were there then - and sociopathy. In 2020 looking back at 2002 you can see it - the know it all attitude entitled white people impose on minorities daily. Each may have had their disagreements with each other but, like a pack, they were all dismissive of boots in such a snooty arrogant way. They basically flipped him off and/ mocked him, talked down to him, but did it subtly, sort of (it’s obvious to me looking at it now) - and he kept his composure, and they were never publicly criticized for it. And those types rarely are. I really don’t like Bill Maher. He’s not funny. He’s just arrogant and fake. I don’t know why I ever thought he was funny.
There must be a tie between sociopathy and systemic injustice.
There must be a tie between sociopathy and systemic injustice.
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Being that Boots has never voted and he says ...
"If you have a movement that can shut down industry, you can make any politician do what you want them to do."
He also says "You can call it communism you can call it socialism you can call it pancakes"
So in keeping with your penchant for labels ... if you press play you will hear him say that while anarchists have taught him ... he is not an anarchist ...
he doesn't speak favorably of the 'new left' that leaves the class struggle behind in favor of the spectacle of identity politics ... and he certainly does not put his faith in electing a politician that is actually going to change anything from within the 'power system'. (Like Obama)
He is a civil rights movement ANTI WAR organizer and an artist that I find inspiring. He is not a Karen!
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I never thought for a moment that he’s a Karen. I never even suggested it! He’s the anti-Karen. And I’m not an anarchist like him. I believe in voting. I find him a hell of a lot more inspiring, smarter, funnier, more prophetic - and more honest and admirable by leaps and bounds - than any of the people in the “IDW” or the anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers though.
You’re right. He doesn’t refer to himself as an anarchist. Others have referred to him as an anarchist. I’m mistaken. And they refer to him as a socialist and a communist - and it seems to fit the direction of his activism. He is certainly on the hard left. I think the new left he refers to was the neoliberals in the 90s. The new left today...the same ones who would vote for the “Squad” (the young progressives on the left of the Democratic Party) certainly admire him. That’s how I first learned about him and went to see Sorry to Bother You ( it was wild “edu-tainment”).
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