Can You Be Rich and Be a Christian?

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The chain faced backlash for staying open longer than other retailers in the face of COVID-19 and closed April 3, furloughing employees.

In Maine, at least, Hobby Lobby argued to reopen.
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You're arguing against your own point, unsafe. He's a greedy sod who didn't want to stay closed, and didn't close until weeks after he was told to, thus defying the law. I thought you liked official rules?
 
Can a rich tyrant be trusted to share ... or is that an oxymoron in the possessive 10's?

Is the lyre acceptable in war and love ... MS't Ruth ... or Ruthless SOL? One must extend to get the hole narrative ... deficient as the thieves of the night ... when thoughts drop out of reality. Ever get that sinking feeling when falling off at the edge of conscience Ness?

Some deny con science ... too pro science and no emotional context! Practice balance ... poke holes in the economy scheme ... altar conspiracy?
 
BetteTheRed ----you said ----You're arguing against your own point, unsafe. He's a greedy sod who didn't want to stay closed, and didn't close until weeks after he was told to, thus defying the law. I thought you liked official rules?

I say ----Well if David Green went against what God wants then God will deal with him ---as God knows why he did what he did and if any Christian just talks the talk and doesn't walk the walk ---God sees and knows what is going on ------we are all relying on written articles and that is all we have -----but mark my words--- God is the one who we will stand in front of in our end and give an account of our actions -----not the law -----
 
Action-reaction .. a sense of consequence in the God field ... some believe they control the pastoral senses ... truth, dare and all that!
 
unsafe said:
BetteTheRed ----you said ----You're arguing against your own point, unsafe. He's a greedy sod who didn't want to stay closed, and didn't close until weeks after he was told to, thus defying the law. I thought you liked official rules?

I say ----Well if David Green went against what God wants then God will deal with him ---as God knows why he did what he did and if any Christian just talks the talk and doesn't walk the walk ---God sees and knows what is going on ------we are all relying on written articles and that is all we have -----but mark my words--- God is the one who we will stand in front of in our end and give an account of our actions -----not the law -----
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I'm just suggesting that you might have picked a more suitable example of an ethical wealthy person, unsafe. You need to apply a little critical thinking to your own beliefs, at times. Just because someone purports to be an evangelical bible-believing Christian does not necessarily make them a good person.
 
unsafe said:
but mark my words--- God is the one who we will stand in front of in our end and give an account of our actions -----not the law -----
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Whether you call yourself a Christian or not then.

I think the problem with calling yourself a 'TRUE' Christian - whether you are materially rich or not - is that it is divisive. Separating oneself from the wholly holy is probably not a good idea - one way? or another?
 
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BetteTheRed ----you said ----You need to apply a little critical thinking to your own beliefs,
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I say --I think you should take your own advice and apply critical thinking to your own beliefs as well -----thinking that Job was a Gentile when God Chose the Jewish Nation -----

So I think it is the Pot calling the Kettle black in your remark here -----LOL

So now BetteTheRed rethink this ------article ----and note ---they furloughed their employees --and they kept their benefits going -----

Hobby Lobby closes its stores after defying coronavirus stay-at-home orders

On Wednesday, stores in Colorado were still open despite being deemed a nonessential business and ordered to close. The office of Colorado Attorney General Phil Weiser then sent a cease and desist letter to the Hobby Lobby.

In the company's statement announcing it would close, it appeared to defend its previous decision to remain open.

"We know our customers relied on us to provide essential products, including materials to make personal protective equipment, such as face masks, educational supplies for the countless parents who are now educating their children from home, and the thousands of small arts and crafts businesses who rely on us for supplies to make their products," according to the statement.

The company also detailed the measures it took to provide a safer shopping environment, including installing physical barriers between customers and cashiers.

Employees will still have medical, dental, life, and long-term disability benefits for employees while furloughed through at least May 1, 2020, according to Hobby Lobby's statement.
 
Ritafee ----

God is not a Christian ---God has no Religion -----The word Christian is man made --God is Spirit -----anyone can call themselves a Christian ------The Gentiles actually called the Jews who received Christ in their hearts Christians according to scripture ---they were mocking them by calling them that ---Paul then adopted the name and it stuck ----So being a Christian is Suppose to mean Born Again ---but today is means nothing --everyone says they are a Christian -----it has lost its True meaning -----
 
unsafe said:
God is not a Christian ---God has no Religion
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Agreed. God, should there be such, would be "above the fray" so to speak; a vastness in which human concepts like religion are meaningless. So I am with you there.

unsafe said:
So being a Christian is Suppose to mean Born Again ---but today is means nothing --everyone says they are a Christian
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I think that's a stretch. As you say, it was originally a term used by non-Christians, mostly pagans, to refer to Christians. It means, quite simply, those who follow Christ. Christians took it over and spun it in a positive way. I do not think it was associated with any particular doctrines at that point. Yes, being "born again" was a cornerstone of the faith at that point in time, but that doesn't mean "Christian" need be defined that way today. Going back to your first point, "Christian" is a human term defined by humans and human language evolves over time.
 
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thinking that Job was a Gentile when God Chose the Jewish Nation -----
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unsafe, I pointed you to Jewish opinions that suggested that Job was a gentile. I don't really care what you believe, and I don't think it's terribly important in the grand scheme of things, but you can make choices about what makes most sense to you.

I also tried point out to you that your rigid "one answer" system is not loyal to your faith's Jewish roots. Nor is an "in/out" reward system. Jewish people are quite happy with the idea of a "righteous gentile". Another "righteous gentile" suggestion is the Egyptian midwives who saved Moses.

In fact, Judaism has an "alt-righteousness" system built right into Torah. The Noahide Laws, given after the great flood, are a "gentile" substitute for the 613 mitzvah.
 
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unsafe said:
Solomon was wealthy King David was wealthy
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Solomon and David were sinners. Even so they were loved by God. In the final day God separated the wheat from the chaff. We too are loved by God. In our appointed day God will separate the good in us from the bad in us. A process of refining by which the dross is burned away and the precious revealed. Till that day we each are called to the process of sanctification. This process being rooted in the prayer Jesus taught his followers to pray: “Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.” Our calling is to follow in the way of Jesus while alive in the world. We are guided along that way by the spirit of God.

“To whom much is given much is required.”

“A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good -- except God alone. You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.'" "All these I have kept since I was a boy," he said. When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth. Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

I will be interested in hearing you perspective on these ideas.
 
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Mendalla ---you said ----It means, quite simply, those who follow Christ.

Acts
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The Church at Antioch
…25Then Barnabas went to Tarsus to look for Saul, 26and when he found him, he brought him back to Antioch. So for a full year they met together with the church and taught large numbers of people. The disciples were first called Christians at Antioch. 27In those days some prophets came down from Jerusalem to Antioch.…

The disciples here Mendalla we Born Again in Spirit -----the word Christian meant you accepted Christ in your heart ------born again


Christian [N] Christian. - Smith's Bible Dictionary Online
the name given by the Greeks or Romans, probably in reproach, to the followers of Jesus. It was first used at Antioch. The names by which the disciples were known among themselves were "brethren," "the faithful," "elect," "saints," "believers." But as distinguishing them from the multitude without, the name "Christian" came into use, and was universally accepted. This name occurs but three times in the New Testament ( Acts 11:26 ; 26:28 ; 1 Peter 4:16 ).
 
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GeoFee ----you said ---Solomon and David were sinners. Even so they were loved by God

I say ----What does that have to do with them being wealthy and God not having a problem with them being wealthy ----????? God GeoFee has no problem with wealth as long as it is used for God and His Kingdom -----

We are all sinners and God loves all Sinners ------that we know -----
 
unsafe said:
GeoFee ----you said ---Solomon and David were sinners. Even so they were loved by God

I say ----What does that have to do with them being wealthy and God not having a problem with them being wealthy ----????? God GeoFee has no problem with wealth as long as it is used for God and His Kingdom -----

We are all sinners and God loves all Sinners ------that we know -----
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Isn't that a devil of a collusion ... if you can put together the conflict?
 
Solomon is portrayed in scripture as one of the world’s wealthiest persons. His first official act was to marry a daughter of the Egyptian Pharaoh. In this making a treaty with Egypt. Solomon then went on to marry many wives and formed treaties with other nations. Simply put, Solomon was a conniving seeker of power. At the height of his reign a small cohort of persons shared in the affluence of the Solomonic wealth. All while the people of the land languished in deep poverty. Which was addressed by prophets of the time. For which they were often imprisoned and sometimes killed.

I am not here to play a game of win (heaven) or lose (hell). I am here to cooperate with my neighbour in hope of united vision and purpose. Each of us is a part of the whole. Each of us has a perspective on life, Sharing these perspectives offers us opportunity to grow.
 
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Yet, Solomon is considered an ultimate wise person in Jewish literature.

Don't you, sometimes, George, wish to rest back into the arms of an ultimate "benevolent dictator"?
 
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